This year marks the 15th birthday of Winamp. During that time it went from being a must-have piece of software to languishing in complete obscurity. But where did it all go wrong?
Ars Technica has a wonderful feature which explores exactly that question. From the piece:
Prior to Winamp, there wasn’t much available beyond Windows Media Player or RealPlayer. But none of those players could, in the mid-1990s, do something as basic as playlists, much less visualizations and custom skins, nor were they as tightly and efficiently programmed as Winamp. Even today, the Mac version of the Winamp installer is only 4.2MB; by comparison, the iTunes Mac installer comes in at a whopping 170MB.
The Windows Advanced Multimedia Products (WinAMP) player was released to the world on April 21, 1997. The next year, when its parent company Nullsoft formally incorporated, Winamp became $10 shareware. But no one pays for shareware, right? Wrong.
“Nothing ever was broken [if you didn't pay], there was no feature that was unlocked,” Rob Lord told Ars. “In that year before we were acquired, we were bringing in $100,000 a month from $10 checks-paper checks in the mail!”
In fact, Winamp proved to be a huge success, and in many ways was the piece of software that naturalised the use of MP3s, by making it easy to rip, store and manage them, all from one piece of software. So successful was it, in fact, that eventually AOL acquired the company in June 1999 for somewhere in the region of £60 million.
What followed, however, isn’t a pretty story. Through horrendous mismanagement, AOL throttled the creativity of the Winamp team:
“There’s no reason that Winamp couldn’t be in the position that iTunes is in today if not for a few layers of mismanagement by AOL that started immediately upon acquisition,” Rob Lord, the first general manager of Winamp, and its first-ever hire, told Ars.
Justin Frankel, Winamp’s primary developer, seems to concur in an interview he gave to BetaNews. (He declined to be interviewed for this article.) “I’m always hoping that they will come around and realize that they’re killing [Winamp] and find a better way, but AOL always seems too bogged down with all of their internal politics to get anything done,” he said.
Later, of course, came iTunes, at a time when Winamp was already beginning to struggle, to further compound the problem. Over time, Winamp’s success dwindled, and its development staff left. Nowadays, Winamp still exists — it just has an incredibly small, stagnated user base.
Of course, the story is complex, and can’t be done justice here with simply a few quotes, so you should head over to Ars Technica and take a read for yourself. [Ars Technica]
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ahhh Winamp, used to be an awesome bit of software.
What do you mean ‘used to be’?! I still prefer it to iTunes any day
Anything is better than iTunes (on Windows at least), but many things are better than Winamp nowadays.
I’ll admit that I haven’t used ‘Winamp’ in 8 years or so. Back then I changed to MusicMatch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musicmatch_Jukebox) but even that’s dead now.
I stand as a proud member of that incredibly small, stagnated user base! Winamp, it really whips the llama’s ass!
Amen! The only thing I’ve used that came close is Media Monkey.
…and VLC, that and MM are kind of ‘play everything’ software. Shame Media Monkey cant replace iTunes….. I hate iTunes!
MM does a pretty good job syncing files to and from most iPod devices. I use it to back up my music to an ipod Classic 160GB and a first gen iPod touch. Not sure about iPhones.
Yeah it can’t do iPhones which is my issue, something to do with the algorithms the iPhone uses.
and I. Still beats the everloving shit out of one of the worst programmed, bloated & horrible ‘tools’ on the planet, iTunes.
I still use it, classic skin and all. I’ve tried other players, but always gone back. keep on rocking, Winamp.
Hear hear! I am one of those. Use it daily. I like my albums to organised on the HDD the way I like them and I can move when how ever when ever I want without worrying about anything! Hears to WinAmp! Happy birthday ol girl!!!
Well I still use it daily, by far the best music library software I’ve used.
Winamp was great. Shame really, loved the Winamp Yasmine Bleeth skin I made. Did AOL buy Yasmine as well?
I remember the fiasco that was Winamp 3 and the arguments that ensued when Winamp 5 came out – “They fixed all the crap from Winamp 3!” “No they didn’t, it’s still the same bloated piece of crap!”. I think I still know someone who swears Winamp2 was the best.
Still my music player of choice.
I wonder if Duke Nukem uses WinAmp
Winamp visualisations are still some of the trippiest things I’ve found and as such it’ll always be on my install list
(Note: I was very heavily involved in Winamp for many years)
This article is somewhat one-sided. It’s more 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
While I have enormous personal respect for Frankel (et al) he didn’t seem to want to make “iTunes before iTunes existed” and AOL didn’t have the vision to push him that way.
What AOL thought they were buying was the future for just $100M. Instead, they took a brilliant geek who didn’t much care about money and give him enough money to make sure he didn’t care about money at all.
It was therefore only natural that Justin would start coding things like Gnutella and WASTE. Both were very interesting (and cool) pieces of software, but took AOL no further into the future.
Meanwhile, the rest of the Winamp team were so focussed on plugins and skins that they spent a huge amount of time creating a fantastic platform for hosting plugins and skins. It was both a huge way ahead of it’s time (and current computer resources) and unfortunately a poster-child for the second system effect. Yes it was slow and bloated at the time. Compare to iTunes now though? Which is bloated?
Winamp 5 shares most of Winamp3 and is far lighter than iTunes.
The plugins and skins stuff all seems academic now because plugins and skins belong firmly to the past. In this respect, Winamp3 was a vision of a future which was never going to be.
AOL for it’s part had extremely lazy management. Instead of going out and negotiating deals for creating a music store, they eventually chose to buy one outright after they’d missed the boat. They didn’t have the vision or the energy to throw their full weight behind a serious assault on music download market when they had their chance to make it work. It’s a real shame because with someone like Justin behind it, it would have been great. He hated DRM before it was cool.
Star-worthy commenting, enjoy.
I think you’re spot on by saying it “was a vision of a future which was never going to be”. Even now, nobody cares much for skins and plugins – instead people want everything off-the-shelf.
I think at the time, it was rather cool that you could plug in something to make more – or – less anything work. However, i agree that the majority of the public would much rather have bloated software that does everything out of the box. I used it personally because it supported the mp3 format, and mplayer didn’t.
Unfortunately AOL is possibly the most stagnated company I’ve ever come across. They were the world’s largest ISP at one point, but they failed to look after their customers. As a result both AOL and Winamp have faded into irrelevancy. I have started to use it again, mind, i like its small footprint, and the way that it doesn’t rename all the stuff in my library to stupid things.
I think a similar thing is happening in the mobile phone space, but the difference is mobile phones are so personal that everybody wants different things from them. Contrarily, I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a media player to do much more than play media.
Re: AOL, surprised they’re still afloat.
To be fair, so am i regarding AOL – I mean they actually had a sort of precursor to the web…. What happened?
Web 2.0 happened and left AOL in its wake.
No mention of foobar2000? Super lightweight, ridiculously customizable and made by a former Nullsoft employee…It’s about as close to a Winamp successor as you’re likely to get.
Oh and there’s even skins for it like Winamp, too.
I use foobar too. The default skin is really ugly though. I think that’s what put most new users off.
winamp is still my music player of choice. Install > switch to classic skin > instantly better than itunes.
I use one of its plugins to stream radio from my house in India to my computer here and another one to control the winamp’s playlist at home with my android phone to switch fm channels.
I still use Winamp as well, even on my Android phone.
What do people use instead of iTunes then? Surely not everyone can use iTunes…it’s bobbins!
I still use Winamp regularly for internet radio stations, for MP3s then it’s iTunes.
I don’t understand all the “used to be good” comments. I mean, what’s the alternative?! Just iTunes? Seriously, I literally don’t know! Any suggestions?
I still use Winamp religiously. It ties in really well with my Android phone and I can simply send/delete songs to it over wifi.
I also use the library which does the job and gives you the option to load all your songs into the playlist at once if you fancy. The MilkDrop visualisations have always been awesome too.
Just seen the recommendation for Foobar2000. I used to use that to play FLAC files, but I thought it was a bit bland and experimental.
I didn’t realise you could get so many great sins for it that completely and utterly transform it! Downloading now to have a play.
Winamp is always one of the first things I install. cant stand iTunes
I’m very proud to say I’ve still got Winamp installed and use it for all music playback, how anyone can like itunes over winamp is beyond me.
I’ve still got the classic skin also, J to search what else do you need.
I used to use winamp years ago to convert mp3 to wav to burn to CD before programs really took over, I remember when mp3 started to take off.
Winamp 3 was the big problem, me thinks. No massive improvements, and a hell of a lot of bugs. Winamp 2.x was awesome, supported nearly everything, and even if it didn’t, you could download a plug-in. I even spent a serious amount of time making vizualisations.
I’m using it now.
I still use winAMP these days. I don’t think I’d ever fully switch to something else. Shame it’s not developed as much as it used to be but that doesn’t make it a non-usable piece of software.
I’ve been using Winamp, since 0.97b came out..wouldn’t use anything else for MP3 playing..in fact its Winamp that introduced me to MP3s
I know that theres some haters out there, but as people have said, its a lot less bloated than iTunes..its basically a case of ‘It does what it says on the tin’..and I too install it first on any new machine
It is quite versatile, it has lots of configuration options, and some of the plugins are brilliant..if you’ve never used it, go and download it, and try!
Turning in to a “me too” thread but I thought I’d just say, me too. Winamp introduced me to MP3s and I still have a copy of Winamp 1.91 languishing amongst my software archive. Infact in that same archive I have 1.91, 1.92, 2.0, 2.02 and some skins.
I still use Winamp for my general listening and in my opinion, nothing else comes close. I also use Winamp on my Android and to say I nearly wet myself when I saw it announced for Android would be….well, embarrassing so I won’t say it.
But not only is WinAMP available for Android, all you have to do to transfer songs is turn your wifi on, your Android device is auto-detected, right-click on the song(s) in WinAMP -> ‘Send to HTC Desire’
As far as I know you can’t do this using the massively bloated iTunes.
WinAmp, god that brings back memories. I must admit I did switch to iTunes once the first iPhone came out and now I exclusively use Spotify for music (because why wouldn’t you?) but I definitely still have a soft spot for WinAmp.
The problem with Spotify is that not all music is on there, it’s not free, and it relies on a broadband connection and uses your bandwidth.
I have to admit, I use Spotify Free now and again, but now you can only listen to the same song 5 times and it’s locked out forever, plus you have to put up with adverts. I much prefer having my music always available in MP3 format, for now.
Winamp for mp3 and Shoutcast, Miro for video and podcasts. Screw iTunes and Apples walled garden.