The most remarkable thing about Google’s Nexus 7 tablet can’t be found on its spec sheet. It won’t show up in any benchmark, and it has nothing to do with that zippy new operating system. If you want to know the true significance of the Nexus 7, all you need to look at is the price tag.
How, you wonder, can Google make any money selling this for £159? The answer’s simple: it doesn’t. Like the Kindle Fire before it, the Nexus 7 proves that the only way take on the iPad is not just to undercut Apple; you have to undercut yourself. It’s an incredibly aggressive strategy. And one that’s going to have massive repercussions.
You might have suspected there was something fishy about that £159 price point; the Nexus 7′s guts may be more Toyota than Lexus, but Tegra 3 chipsets and 1280×800 displays still don’t come cheap. More specifically, The Nexus 7 outclasses the previous budget champ—Amazon’s Kindle Fire—in every conceivable way, for the same price. That goes beyond economies of scale and supply chain optimization. That’s a kamikazi run.
Surprise! You were right. Google’s Android guru Andy Rubin confirmed to AllThingsD yesterday that even when the Nexus 7 gets sold through the company’s own Google Play distribution channel, it “basically gets (sold) through,” meaning it doesn’t make or lose money. Which means at best, Google’s tablet is break-even when you buy it directly from them. When you find it in a big box retailer? Google’s throwing coins out of the window of a moving car. Basically.
Oh, and keep in mind that Rubin explicitly wasn’t including the marketing costs in that estimate, of which there will be many: I mean, how many of your friends know what Google Play is? Your parents?
So Google’s taking a hit with every Nexus 7 it sells, presumably even more than the $2.70 Amazon loses on each of the millions of Kindle Fires it ships. Sounds crazy, right? It is—but not for the reasons you think.
Don’t worry; Google’s still a company, and companies still like making money. Ditto Amazon. But more importantly, Google and Amazon are ecosystems. The more people that are using their products, the more money they make off of search and content, respectively. Think of their hardware efforts like movie theaters running matinee prices: Get people in make your money at the concession stand.
That’s worked for Amazon to a point; the Kindle Fire was a go-to gift last year in the States at Christmas, although recent reports have indicated that its sales have taken a tumble. But more importantly, the Fire became the exemplar of how to successfully take on Apple. You don’t.
There has not yet been a 10-inch tablet that’s come anywhere close to rivaling the iPad. There just hasn’t. The iPad is Jaws; if you want to survive, get the hell out of the ocean and hop in the kiddie pool. And that’s the model Google’s working from. Make something so much smaller and cheaper that it’s almost an entirely different category of device.
Will it work for the Nexus Tablet? Probably. But it could take away Android’s greatest strength in the process.
You know who’s not an ecosystem? HP. Asus. Acer. Dell. Toshiba. Not even Samsung, no matter how badly it wants to be. Which means that if you’re any hardware company that doesn’t have the benefit of a Nexus name tag and the massive subsidy that goes with it, there is absolutely no reason to make an Android tablet.
Why would you? You can only sell at a loss if you can make the money back on app sales or a Prime membership or movie downloads or all of the other 30 per cent cuts Google and Amazon take off the top of every sale. If you don’t have that, you’re just selling at a loss.
The Nexus 7′s price advantage takes away any incentive to make a 7-inch Android tablet. Apple dominates the 10-inchers like a 1960s Muhammed Ali. So what do you, hardware maker? You give up. Or back another horse.
LG quit tablets. Ditto Dell took a time-out. Lenovo and others are embracing Windows 8 in a major way. And so on.
Android’s always been about choice; anyone can build a tablet that runs it, so you’ve always had your pick of form and functionality. But Google and Amazon making desperation plays also means that there’s very little room left for anyone else to join the party. It’s setting up an Android future of two cheap, small, forgettable machines.
It’s understandable that Google and Amazon don’t want to go slate-a-slate with the iPad yet. But while being a loss leader in the welterweight division may just be the best plan, that doesn’t mean it’s going to be a successful one. The competition’s still just too tough.
Want an ecosystem? iTunes has the most—and best—app and content offerings by far. That’s not debatable. Price advantage? A 16GB Wi-Fi iPad costs Apple £200 to manufacture. It sells for £400. Which means that by the same metric in which Amazon and Google lose money, Apple makes nearly £200 of profit. Times millions. And millions. Of iPads.
That doesn’t just mean that Apple’s getting filthy rich (although it is, it very is). It means that the second it feels even a hint of pressure from Android or Microsoft, it can cut the price of every iPad by a hundred quid without breaking a sweat. Hell, it could sell iPads at a loss and still make more money off of iTunes than Google ever will off of Play sales.
There’s hope, though. Microsoft, at least, isn’t backing down; its Surface tablets may still just be prototypes, but they’re a clear shot across Apple’s bow, with features the iPad’s never even dreamed of—assuming they work. Amazon, too, might be ready to throw down a 10-inch, spec-filled Fire of its own in just a few short weeks. Let’s hope so. Real competition now is even better than the promise of it this fall.
So sure, yes, get a foothold if you’re Google and Amazon. Build your user base. But remember that if you really want to compete, to put the brakes on Apple’s runaway success, don’t just make something cheaper. Make something better. Because if you won’t, there are plenty of people who will. In fact, they may already have.













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“Don’t just make something cheaper. Make something better”
Many companies already do, they just haven’t been able to spend a billion dollars a year on marketing them.
Who?
Chiming in with Fatbob46 here — which tablet do you think *is* better than the iPad?
Well, I meant it as a more general comment about mobile technology but I think Asus’ Android tablets have been better than their Apple contemporaries.
Leaving aside Apple for the moment, look at HTC and Samsung. I believe the One X is a better phone than the GSIII (not by much, but better nonetheless). However, I’ve lost count of how many adverts I’ve seen for the GSIII all over London and have no doubt that it will outsell the One X by an order of magnitude as a result.
The GSIII pretty much beats the iphone, specswise and the marketing is pretty full on, so it’s probably the biggest threat so far.
But as a brand, Apple’s pretty hard to beat.
It’s the little Gucci handbag of the mobile phone and tablet world.
Except the “look”… I personally think the Sony Xperia series are way more good looking than iphone and GS3…
I feel the same, that’s why I own an Xperia Arc and not the other two.
That’s one thing about Sony, they sure know how to make good looking things.
well the Asus Transformer TF101 beat the ipad 1 & 2 and the transformer TF701 beats the ipad3 in my books (WIFI versions I might add). the amount of features it offers simply runs rings around the iPad.
Hi Kat, I think the Nexus 7 is better than iPad. The only place where it loses to the iPad is the iTunes vs Play Store battle. But Nexus 7 is lighter, n 7″ screen is more easy to handle compared to 10″, its silky smooth, its easily repairable the list goes on.. We should also wait for the M Soft Surface. I think it will be better than anything else.
“Don’t just make something cheaper. Make something better”
- they already have… people are just too bent on there apple ways to change. I see this as a foot in the door idea. Once people get on the band wagon they might enjoy it and stay around.
With the comment about asus tablets. yeah i love mine, think its fantastic. As i say, people dont like change and spending £300+ on a tablet they are unsure on would be a bit odd. However, spending the money on an apple device where you know what you get (biased note: you a closed os, with an annoyingly stupid and uncustomizable ui and features that are 2 years old../
), So yeah it doesnt suprise me arent jumping ship yet.
and where exactly did you get that figure?
So inform me, please, how is the Tegra 3 worse than A5X? Is 250ppi so far from 215ppi, considering they use the same screen tech? What about Bluetooth? NFC? microUSB? Or, most importantly, what about Android?
The only thing that really puts the iPad ahead of competition is the abundance of tablet apps. Guess what happens what you sell millions of tablets? Developers provide. Google “gets [the Nexus 7] sold through” > millions of people own powerful tablets > developers make apps > Android ecosystem can suddenly compete on tablets.
#corrections
+1 to you and The Doctor.
Alongside Apple’s dominance in apps is their marketing and demographic. This is just a vague feeling, so correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears to me that people more likely to be interested in android will tend to be a little more thrifty and a little more tech-savvy, whereas Apple undeniably has the fanboy market share tied up.
I think if anyone could potentially put out a ~£400 tablet to rival the iPad it’s Google, but in reality that’s not going to fly simply because they’re not Apple. They’d get as close as anyone, but still. So a cheaper price point makes sense.
But yeah, in terms of hardware… I really don’t think “Don’t just make something cheaper. Make something better” is a particularly valid criticism in this case.
So being able to change your keyboard app and have widgets makes you a tech super genius? All the smartest tech savvy people I know have one of pretty much every type of phone they can get their hands on just because they get paid loads and they can. People who buy a type of device and think it makes them clever for having chosen that device are the not so tech savvy users.
I said a little more tech-savvy, not a tech super genius. I’m talking about a slight skew in the demographic, not a binary smart/stupid divide. But I did say it was just a vague feeling; I’m happy to acknowledge that it may well not be the case. I’m going on experience of myself and those around me, many of whom (including myself) are highly technical people.
Up until the iPad 3, there hasn’t been a single hardware aspect of the iPad that isn’t featured in some iteration on Android. If you look at the Transformer Prime in comparison to the iPad 2, for example, it has a quicker processor, sharper screen, more RAM, USB 2.0, DLNA, Bluetooth, 8MP/1080p back, 1.3MP front. EVERYTHING is better than the iPad 2, all except Android (not in terms of OS functionality, but rather 3rd party support).
Go figure.
Tegra 3 is not even close to the A5X in graphics performance.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6054/47744.png
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But as you say, it’s the apps that are important to the consumer. Even if the benchmarks were the other way round the iPad would still be in the lead.
That second link should have been http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6054/47745.png
I concede it’s worse on graphics, but it’s still exceptional regardless. It’s also got a quicker CPU, without even mentioning properly multithreaded apps.
When used with*
It may be quicker but if you look at the games specifically made for Tegra 3 they looks so much better.
One area Apple’s iPad currently leads over Android tablets is music creation. Even the iPad 1 is better than this latest Android tablet when it comes to synthesis, recording, DJ work, guitar work, multi-track sound production, effects processing, amp simulations, drum machines, controller interfaces and what have you.
Android in general handles low latency audio terribly- sure some devices are better than others but there’s no consistency and to be able to use those apps in a live setting you need low audio latency. Then there’s the lack of core hardware support in Android. And the list goes on and on…..
It’s a shame that Google still haven’t sorted out these problems with it’s OS.
I’d argue strongly that the iPad is consumption, not creation, and so are all tablets for that matter. If they were intended for creation, we’d see Ivy Bridge beast-rigs, akin to the Surface Pro. Instead, we see pretty much the same software as is available in mobile phones, just on bigger screens.
That said, I would like a bit more to play with in regards to drum machines and synths on Android – but that’s it, I want to PLAY, not make serious music.
also, what’s your excuse for being up at 5:05am?
Wait …there’s a 5:05 AM?!
Toyota and Lexus DO have the same guts!!!!! They are the same….hehe
I did wonder about that! I believe that in japan a lexus is in fact badged as a toyota.
Indeed. Lexus is the Luxury division of Toyota.
…but not in Japan, right?
A quick Wiki search suggests they do sell in Japan. “Japan[125] 42,365 units sold”
Another day at gizmodo, another anti Android Story. This could very well be the must have present for christmas I hope it selsl millions, and is a massive success.
This story wasn’t at all anti-Android or pro-Apple in my view. I actually found it quite a reasoned article about the business behind making a tablet, rather than the tablets themselves. Market share is great but it’s not a good business model if you’re not making money.
You are either trolling. Or don’t actually read the site. Their has possibly been about 100, as you would call it, ‘pro’ Android articles.
You know, for that thing called Google I/O.
That asisde. Ducky makes a fair point.
Actually Tokester I have to pull you up on that. The number of articles covering Google I/O has been meagre compared with those covering WWDC. And a not insignificant percentage of those were not what you could call Pro-Android.
Not sure if it’s still the case, but I’m sure I heard something similar about Sony and the PS3? They sold each one for less than it was worth in order to put a Blu-Ray player into everyone’s home to win the HDDVD/Blu-Ray war.
I kind of get that, because disc formats are gonna be around for a fair few years, but how can you recoup losses on a tablet, where people seem to treat them as giant smartphones, and change up in a year or two?
When you think of the dedication Apple showed when Microsoft had a total domination of the PC Market, making better software and more attractive hardware, and how many years it took, you can’t deny they haven’t earn’t that enviable position they are in today.
Whereas Microsoft sold one flaky OS after another, with fake promises of speed and reliability increases, Apple delivered their promise, and at more sensible prices in Software terms.
Now it appears Apple are the Microsoft of the Tablet world, but only because they offer a great package.
Time to kiss some ass, the moment belongs to Apple!
Every time my latest version of Windows failed, despite the care and nurturing I gave every single one, I cursed Microsoft for lying to me.
Four years of trouble free use with iPhone, Mac, iPad, Macbook Pro (HD failure aside) and iPod means it’ll be a cold day in Hell before I change back, or away from Apple to any other OS.
Jeez, they really got you by the balls don’t they.
In the interests of balance I’d say that I’ve had four years trouble-free use of a Toshiba laptop running Vista and then Windows 7, never bluescreened, never lost a single file. I know of alot of others who are the same. Windows is currently a very stable OS, considering the massive variations in hardware it has to contend with.
ditto, running 2 laptops both with Windows 7 and never had any bluescreen or other issues.
Haha. Yeah, they do have you by the balls.
My Windows PCs have been rock steady since Windows XP. What rock are you living under?
At least a web browser can’t crash Windows. Can’t say the same for OSX and it’s kernel panic over a memory leak. Most advanced OS my arse…
Same here, pure ice water all the way. Couldn’t be happier after making the switch, having put up with a decade of Windows. Some actual care has gone into the thing.
Maybe it’s because I have 2 laptops (which are fairly static in my home) and a smart phone that allows me to read Kindle books, watch any downloaded content, access the internet, receive and deal with emails etc that I’m still not really getting the whole ‘point’ of tablets.
I carry my phone automatically, it fits in any pocket and it does pretty much everything a tablet does (obviously via a smaller screen).
Why would I want to carry something else to duplicate most of my phones functions?
I thought the same JulianT, However though your phone can duplicate these functions, just take a look on the Retail price of good Android phones. They reach between £250 to £499. Not everyone wants the top of the range phone.
My story is that I had a HTC Wildfire, however I couldn’t stand the touch screen for SMS and calling, I found I kept touching the screen in the incorrect places, resulting in calling people I didn’t want to call etc.
Also, phone batteries are precious! with out battery, you are completely out of contact. Not having my phone and I guess for many people can ‘ruin’ a day, or make you feel mis-placed.
I guess you could be looked at as a ‘one size fits all’, where as others could be ‘the right knife for the job’ kinda person.
I’m currently using a HTC Desire and it does all I said earlier and whilst it won’t last more than a day on a charge I always have just the one device to carry. Horses for courses I guess.
I agree to an extent. If I knew the Nexus 7 was coming before I got my One X, I would’ve stuck with my desire and got my Jelly Bean fix on that device instead.
The thing is with tablets is that it does pretty much the same as what a phone does, just with improved UX. Like you said, you can surf the web, check your mail and watch movies on a phone and a tablet, however the bigger screen and increased battery mean you can do them better. That said, I wouldn’t wanna have two devices in the same ecosystem and it’s always nice to experience what’s on the other side, so my next purchase will probably be an iPad 3. Whilst I don’t think Apple products are better generally, I couldn’t justify buying the same apps twice for the HD version on the same market, and they both offer individual content.
Sorry for going off on a tangent. Stoned enit… >_>
My Nexus 7 will be spending a lot of its life in my kitchen for recipes, controlling my music/movie player over the network and watching cat videos while I’m cooking. I doubt I’ll take it out of the house very often, unless its transplanting it from my kitchen to my girlfriends.
When you have a 4.8inch godphone like the GS3, tablets do seem pretty irrelevant.
I’m absolutely not interested in getting one, myself. I think they’re better for people with inadequate phones (like the iPhone for example) troll troll.
Most savvy punters (Rather than tech savvy boffins) just want something you pull out of the box, and works first time every time.
Who gives a toss about tweaking, customising or comparing meaningless benchmarks, we just want something pretty, sleek and ultra reliable.
Apple, in other words.
You know, stuff is so fast these days, it’s not like comparing an old 233MHz Pentium 2 with an 866 MHz Athlon, the difference is marginal in most day to day functions on computers and tablets, even phones within reason.
Sleek and slick are good
That’s a good argument, Elevenses. Fair enough, tweaking and customising is fine on a phone and laptop, if that’s where you spend the bulk of your time, but a tablet? It’s already a non-essential item, so why spend time you don’t necessarily have, just so you can have a TV companion / something to use on the train to watch movies on?
For others, the tweaking and customisation is the entire point. I’d never want an iPad purely because of the limitations I’d suffer in truly being able to explore using it how -I- want.
It’s one thing to have a great user interface and strong user experience – which I’d argue Android 4+ has in heaps and bundles – but there’s no reason that can’t co-exist with being able to customise a product I’ve paid money to own in order to actually make it mine.
Considering it takes less than a minute to set up an Android device these days, and once you have you can leap right into doing -anything- (including customising it and setting up even more options), the argument that Apple somehow has the crown on this is losing water quicker than a bucket full of holes. If your Android device doesn’t “work right out of the box”, you should be taking it back to get a non-faulty one.
I guess people use tablets for different functions — the way I use a tablet (and believe me, I’m still scratching my head over whether I truly do need a tablet!), I don’t care for customisations, and just want something I can browse easily; show some photos on, and watch the occasional TV show or movie on. But if people are using tablets as actual laptop replacements, then sure, being able to go under the hood makes sense.
Don’t get me wrong — I’m an Android user; I know and love customisation, but you have to remember that the average Joe doesn’t know / care about doing anything deeper than downloading a few apps from Play.
At the end of the day, if that’s all the user wants – modern Android devices provide it, as said “right out of the box”. You start up the device for the first time, set up/sign into your Google account, connect to your WiFi and boom – done, you’re now ready to press that browser button (after the briefly system tells you how to work it, of course, or log onto the Play Store and download Netflix.
For everyone else, the fun’s just beginning and there’s a world of possibility to get stuck into. It’s the best of both worlds – something an iPad really isn’t.
Clunky user experience may be an issue of Android pre-Honeycomb; and a buggy experience may be an issue of Android pre-Ice Cream Sandwich, but neither are really that true any more. In all, none of the argument in this original post hold true at all for most new Android tablets you can go out and buy right now – and it certainly wouldn’t hold true for the Nexus 7.
What I don’t get is why people who are happy to customise on Android see jail breaking and iPad and then customising to be an issue? Is this too much hassle to gain whats required?
I would have thought the people who customise Android should have the skills to get under the hood of an apple device without any problem.
But why fight a reluctant system with a jailbreak that beaks every time apple pushes an update when you can work with something far more powerful. Most Android people don’t want to bother with adding stuff to iOS because they already have an OS that does it and its more fun extending Android then bringing iOS up to the starting line.
Of course one iPhone project that still attracts attention is the attempt to get Android booting on the iPhone.
buying a load of Apple kit doesn’t mean you can’t have a Linux server and a Raspberry Pi to play with and a Windows box (probably still on XP and waiting to die) and an Xbox/ Playstation. I’d consider a cheap Android tab that was good enough to browse and run Skype. These devices are so cheap nowadays they are almost commodity items. It might never leave the kitchen or the car.
Consumerism at its finest.
in a sense. The windows box in ancient, the xbox is a few years old, raspberry pi hasn’t arrived yet and cost buttons. The Linux server is an even older computer. Many would throw this stuff away. A tablet’s sole attraction to me is it’s easy to pick up, read and put down and cheaper than dumping current Macbook for an Air.
You obviously haven’t used Android, because it is pretty, sleek, and reliable.
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It’s obviously been a LOOOOOONG time since you used an Android device.
“don’t just make something cheaper. Make something better.”
1. What is your definition of better comparing to iPad? Not that companies are looking for external ideas but at the least it’ll help you to stand out of other blog writers just trying to criticize new products and singing the same ipad is best.
2. Yes, I guess everyone agrees Apple has got both content and hardware marketing now. Are they the same 10 years before? They had hard times to find a market to make some money. Same will be case for anyone who enters mobile device now. It’s hard and they’ll try tricks.
Think from customer perspective… Someone paying extra $200 for iPad or only $200 with good hardware for Nexus?
There are a number of major reasons that make a LOT of sense as to why Google is prepared to break even/make a loss on this product:
1) It’s the necessary stimulus to provide growth to the Android tablet ecosystem. The Kindle Fire was definitive proof that a low cost tablet is the correct way to light a fire under the marketplace. Afterall, if you’re going to pay a premium price, you’re going to get the ‘premium’ iPad, aren’t you? £400-£500 is a lot of money for the average consumer to spend on a tablet that doesn’t get the same hype and coverage in the media and in their social circles. £150, however, is practically impulse buy territory. It’s a far, far easier sell.
2) It’s a necessary demonstration that just because it’s low cost and the smaller form factor, it doesn’t have to be an awful device to use. Most 7″ Android tablets have been cheap, slow and frustrating – not to mention running outdated Android builds to begin with (even the Kindle Fire runs a fork of 2.2). Google isn’t making a massive profit here, but the Nexus line is an extreme case. It’s perfectly feasible for manufacturers to come up with 7″ tablets of only a slightly lower spec, and still put them out for an affordable price of below £250. It helps that nVidia has specifically lowered the prices of their Tegra chips purely to bring device prices down (as, obviously, they’re invested in selling more of the things too).
3) The Kindle Fire was probably a far more dangerous enemy than Apple or Microsoft. Here, Amazon were taking Google’s own platform, and then completely shutting out the Android eco-system to their users. No Play Store/Android Market, no Google Music, Books or Movies. It was the ultimate nightmare for Android come true – a successful Android device that contributed absolutely nothing to the OS (since it was a closed down fork of an old build) or to Google (who were closed out of making money from the users of the system).
4) Continuing on from 3, making a loss on the hardware itself is something Google can not only afford, it’s -good- business for them. More money saved on buying the device, means more money that can be used on buying content FOR the device. Users can only ever buy the device once, but they’ll keep coming back for more content. There’s a reason why the initial orders of the Nexus 7 are getting free Play Store credit, afterall. It’s not just ‘cos Google’s feeling charitable – it’s because once you’ve broken your duck and purchased one thing, you’re very likely to do so again.
Ultimately, none of this comes down directly to competing with the iPad at all. It’s in Google’s best interests as a company to ensure that, not only does Android grow into a marketplace not tied into the whims of mobile phone carriers – but that the Android ecosystem (and thus the actual money that Google makes from it) grows, expands and is safe from Amazon’s advances.
This is also a major reason as to why we, in the UK, are able to get in on the action already. Amazon’s neglect of the market outside of the US has just created an even bigger audience for a tablet like this here. I doubt Google would be wooing the market quite so much if we’d already stuffed ourselves with Kindle Fires at Christmas like the US. Their next good move would be to keep that momentum up by expanding Google Music and the other services announced last night to go with the tablet, too.
to me, it’s practically undoubtable that they’ll release Music with the device over here. I lost count of the amount of times they said the Nexus 7 was “made for Google Play” or something similar, so it’d be ridiculous for a device made for media consumption to have Music inaccessible. whether the magazine app will see a UK release soon is debatable – it suffers the same comment regarding Music, yet it’s only just been announced. I think its appearance is unlikely for at least a month, but I don’t think we’ll be left in the cold as long as we was for Music.
Would it be wrong to want the Nexus 7 even though I own an ipad?
I actually wanted to get the 3DS XL to upgrade from the standard 3DS model, but this is the same price and it looks fun to try out so now I’m stuck with a dilemma
Cannot embrace the bloatware apple has to offer for the windows platform. cannot do much “advance” and 3rd party plug-ins, addons without jailbreaking…
Andriod in the other hand, has less bloatwares with more compatibility than fucked up itune and quicktime.
Being Awesome, I insisted they take my money immediately. Now I have three weeks to find a use for my new thingy.
You get a like just for the use of “Being Awesome”
Very good article. I’ve said this like forever, Samsung and co won’t ever make money on tablets, its pointless for Samsung to try and outsell the iPad…
That’s a ridicules thing to say. I bet you said the same thing about Samsung phones. None of us know what is coming soon, if Samsung can capture the lighting in the bottle again with a tablet, then it’ll make truckloads of cash again.
Not ridiculous at all. Making a loss on a product with an absolutely awful O/S. Next thing you will be telling us, is that the Galaxy Tab was a massive success and the user experiece was seemless, without lag.
Not feeding the troll… must not reply…..darm.
:’-(
Trollolol. “Awful O/S” how exactly? Please, give me some reasoning behind your utterly stupid statement.
Arrgghhh, you feed him, now he’ll soon be back, and in greater numbers.
*Giggle*
Pretty obvious really. No need to describe a turd. Everyone know its brown and stinks.
Would this “awful O/S” be awful like WP7, which you gave up because you “couldn’t stand metro” but are now (if I have read recent comments correctly) back on?
Tis true. I am now boycotting Apple mobile devices. So, am now using a slightly less sh1tt1er O/S. I really do love the hardware on my Lumia 800. Apple needs to pull their fingers out and stop claiming ‘innovation’ on an o/s that is older than the hills.
Hopefully this boycott of Apple products isn’t planned to end around the launch of the iPhone 5
Not unless iOS6 isnt actualy iOS1.6 .
On a bit of a tight budget too, missus is making me take her to Santorini .
Yeah, my other half wants to go to New York AND Las Vegas next year.
Samsung won’t make money selling tablets at a loss because it has no mechanism to generate revenue after the sale. Google, however, makes money from every Android product that gives them user information and even more from those that purchase things through the Play Store.
This is very true. Let google make it own tablets and maybe users will benefit from a consistent user experience, where delays to updates are no longer an issue and users don’t have to put up with molested versions of the Android platform.
I think that one of the biggest mistakes Google made was allowing the hardware manufacturer customize the OS for their device. Has anyone, ever got software, from say a PC manufacturer included that was actually useful. Im stuck with Shazam on mine, and the only way i can remove it, is through rooting the phone, and then going through a tedious removal process.
Actually, allowing the manufacturers to customise Android how they wanted was a) Part of the terms and conditions of it being an Open Source OS. b) One of the smartest moves they even made (although only accidentally as the were just doing a).
Allowing OEM’s to differentiate their products lead to them becoming invested in the OS and has lead to the widest choice of specs, appearances and price-points of any mobile OS. Having Multiple OEMs but telling them they can’t change the phones appearance leads to Windows Phone. I don’t think I need to say more.
You have a point here, I must admit.
It sounds a lot like buying eggs at 7 cents apiece in Malta, then selling them for 5 cents to make profit.
Remember to factor in the 10% breakage after receipt too.
This would mean you’re still effectively paying a good price for the tablet.It’s only initially that you’re paying lesser.
So much for £159.
Ebuyer just sent me an email advertising it at £199
8Gb £159
16Gb £199
simple really
thought I read this one Giz but I can only find it on android central.
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-developed-just-4-months-sold-essentially-cost-price
If this is true, aside from the development costs, Google will see nothing but returns on this product.
Releasing this in the same was as Amazon did the Kindle Fire, while they won’t see the huge mark ups other android developers and other tablet makers see on their hardware, they will reap the rewards of the all in one content ecosystem. The release for Australia and UK surely (hopefully!) means music, magazines and tv shows will be released here too.
I know it’s not quite the out-the-box-even-my-nan-can-do-it product that apple has, but in an economic climate like we’re in right now, put the 2 decently made products side by side and i think the price difference may sway a lot of people.
Firstly, I might be a little late to the party on this, but here goes anyway…
Secondly, if this turns into an essay then my apologies for the long read, it didn’t start out as such…
Google aren’t trying to compete with or beat the iPad, they’re aiming squarely for the Kindle Fire because, having gutted Android of everything G-branded, Amazon are currently besting Google in the classic “Why are you hitting yourself?“.
Google are not hardware manufacturers, that’s why HTC, Samsung and Asus make the Nexus devices to Google’s spec. Google are service providers and, more recently, content distributors, which is where they can make their money.
The Nexus 7 is to Google exactly what the iPod Touch is to Apple, and the Kindle is to Amazon – a mobile shop front that you can carry around to spend money in the Google ecosystem rather than with someone else. It’s going to try to be as simple as possible so it can be for everyone, specifically targeted at those who aren’t already entrenched in an ecosystem already, or have a low-end Android phone for which this tablet would be a significant step up. Most importantly though it is all Google, no TouchWiz, Sense, etc…, just vanilla Android (not really sure vanilla jelly beans work too well, but so be it!) as the designer intended it.
That’s why there is no external storage slot, that’s why the storage on the device isn’t as gargantuan as many of us would like, because sideloading content to the device means you’re not purchasing or streaming through the Play Store, which destroys Google’s revenue stream.
Due to the open nature of Android, the Nexus line will only ever serve as a reference for what can and should be possible with both the OS and the hardware design (e.g. NFC support in Android meant NFC in the Nexus S), and it’s for the other manufacturers to try to emulate or better that.
Personally, I’ve suggested my mum gets one – she uses her laptop for nothing more than browsing the net and it’s not particularly portable, and she’s shortly going to receive my CM9 SGS, so they’ll make ideal companions.
For me though, I already have a device just as capable as the Nexus 7, my SGSIII (so why can’t I get the ‘HD’ apps for it… Looking squarely at YOU Rovio!); so right now I’m looking at either the Asus Transformer Pad Infinity, whatever litigation-magnet Samsung produce to counter it, or [not trolling, honest] Surface [/not trolling, honest]
I want a display res and subsequent desktop area that’s significantly better than my phone, I just can’t decide how netbook/ultrabook/tablet-esque I want it to be.
The battle for the best hardware isn’t Google’s to fight, that’s down to Asus, Samsung, Acer, Motorola, etc… to beat Apple at their end of the market, with Google providing the OS for them to do it.
Google are fighting the battle with Apple and Amazon over content sales and delivery, which is what the Nexus 7 is squarely aimed at.
PS: Ok, maybe that was a bit of an essay…. On that note, if we can’t get edit/delete buttons on here, can we at least get a Preview Post option?!
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the kindle Fire sell a squillion units when released in the US (even outselling the iPad over the big Xmas shopping period). The Fire is a pretty basic Android tablet (Seeing as it is a Blackberry Playbook in disguise). This tablet is miles better in spec and is priced to sell. As for Google making a loss on it, this may be true (or not, neither of us know the truth of this) but the tablet market is young and breaking Apple’s current dominance of it will ultimately lead to more money for Google.
I disagree completely – Amazon sell the Kindle Fire at a loss so they can sell their content (just like ISP and mobile networks) Google are selling the Nexus tablet to break even since they make money from their search – and just like the Nexus phone the Nexus tablet is also being sold to help push the Android tablet market forward. It worked for the smartphone industry after the release of the first Nexus phone the Android market share began to steam roll forward once the other manufacturers had to complete with the Nexus line.
That’s for the 16GB model. £160 is for the 8GB model.
Odd… this was meant to be a reply to another post…