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David Cameron is believed to be preparing more measures to reduce the penetration of internet porn into our brains, with the PM said to be favouring a plan that would see internet users asked if they had kids when switching ISP.
Answer that question with a “yes” and you’ll automatically be taken through the filtering and blocking set-up process, with updated anti-porn systems letting parents impose time-of-day limits on accessing material as well as some more sweeping porn-blocking features. Even the option to limit access to social networking sites will be included in the sweeping new blocking rules.
According to the Daily Mail, ministers will ask ISPs to somehow manage the admin process as well, requiring providers to ensure those setting up the filtering tools are over 18. [Telegraph]
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Parent’s responsibility, surely?
The government has deemed that parents are no longer cost effective so has decided to bring this role in-house. David Cameron is now your dad.
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I suppose pedo’s are allowed to abuse kids, if they’ve got shit parents because after all its not their responsibility, its the responsibility of the parents. Or I suppose a con artist is allowed to con naive vulnerable kids out of their pocket money because after all its not their responsibility, its the responsibility of the parents. FFS !
Interesting
Yeh I thought so too. I’m trying to imagine the con artists scenario because obviously con artists tend to go for the higher bank rolling kid
My point is C***s like to put ALL ! the responsibility on the parents which by default absolves people of ill intent of any responsibility but I guess your incapable of reading between the lines
I blame his parents…
I blame society in general…
No, not incapable, I was just stuck at the con artist conning children out of pocket money, although I thought I had made that clear.
Damn straight. Frankly I don’t understand why people aren’t marching up to porn directors’ houses and beating them with dildos for creating content that could be exposed to their children.
Can you tell me the part where ISPs and the government should be involved in filtering? Your logic is also flawed.
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with the logic ! Please do enlighten me And why do you give a F*** that kids should have unfettered access to porn ????
But you are comparing other people not only breaking the law but they are the offenders. ISP’s and the government are not doing any offending. You are comparing a paedophile/kid abuser to a company that supplies your internet and people that run the company. It is completely different. The point I’m trying to make is that if you want to stop your kids from looking at porn do it yourself, no-one else should have the responsibility to have to do it. Although this is a better system than just making sure everyone is filtered no matter what. Also personally I think teens should have access to porn, it beats them getting each other pregnant at 15.
Wow you made a lot of assumptions there I dont even know where to start, if you read through my posts again you will notice I didn’t say any of that. I only said that ALL (100%) of the responsibility is placed on the parents and NONE (0%) of the responsibility is placed on ANYONE else. I only used the example of offenders not having any responsibility to abstractify my point and make it more clearly define by using extremes.
What Im saying is selfish dickheads of VARYING DEGREES from a corporate twat who puts out often violent content derogatory to women to 12 year old kids still learning what is and isn’t acceptable behaviour, reinforcing the idea that its OK to treat another human being as an object to use and abuse, just so they get more advertising revenue or mum and dads credit card details, to the predatory pedophile, don’t even get a mention when subjects like censorship come up. ALL of the blame is placed on the parents ALL the responsibility is placed on the parents. Everyone else gets to do what ever the F*** they want, under the fix all title of freedom of expression.
Parents cant watch their kids 24/7 its an impossibility. Its everyones responsibility to care about the safety and well being of ALL children wether they have parents or not. To absolve yourself of any responsibility because you think its too much hassle to phone up your isp and get the filter removed or you have the mentality of a child who still thinks everyone is telling you what to do and you have to rebel regardless of any negative consequences for someone else, is utterly selfish.
And before you say the parents should be the ones to go to the effort of applying the filter, not all Parents are aware of the existence of a filter or that their kids are accessing questionable content in the first place, Kids dont tend to search for that stuff right in front of their parents, and some parents are just shit ! So having it set by default is a safety net. a safety net which you, for some bizarre reason want to remove.
Kids should have access to porn (which is mostly derogatory to women) because you think porn is a complete substitute for sex, well that says it all.
I’d say the majority of males in their late teens look at porn, and it’s not a new thing, although it is much more accessible. It’s a completely healthy thing to do although you clearly have issues with it. Teens do loads of things under the ages limit whether its smoking, drinking, having sex, 18 movies and games and porn, I’d say porn is one of the healthier options. Anyway I guess that’s not really the topic here.
If you want to stop your kids from watching porn then good do it yourself, just don’t expect others to be responsible for looking after your kids. I don’t have a problem with options given to make things easier, but you clearly think others are obliged to do something when really they aren’t. You were giving examples of people being harmful when they should be responsible for themselves, but this is indifference where you shouldn’t be expected to HAVE to do the parent work for them. Also when they were talking about it being opt in to remove the filter, that was a terrible idea, I’d rather not have to go through the effort (but mostly for the principle) of calling to have an unfiltered internet the way it should be, if the parents want a filtered internet then they should have to opt in, don’t inconvenience others just because you don’t wanna do it yourself (not directed at you personally). It’s not my problem if they’re not educated to protect their own kids. And no I am not responsible for anyone elses kids. My main issue for why I posted is for you thinking others are even partially responsible for other peoples children.
I like the way your subtly ramping up the age of these kids first it was 15 year olds now its late teens could that be because you realise that it unacceptable for kids in general which Im talking about to have access to porn and your trying to push this into an anti porn debate as opposed to a debate about wether underage kids should be exposed to and influenced by less than admirable attitudes which the majority of (but not all !) porn harbours.
And like it or not it is your responsibility its everyones responsibility on one hand you have “automatically protect Kids” you have to go to a small amount of effort to opt out, on the other you have “don’t automatically protect kids” and the parents have to go to a small amount of effort to opt in. All things being equal with regards to effort, in order to tip the scales you have to ask yourself which is more important, you not having to give a shit about kids ? or protecting them with a safety net ? is that the principle your talking about ?
I consider 15 as part of my argument tbh, with anyone under 12 shouldn’t be able to see it going without saying. If a huge amount practice sex (although a lot of them should wait until they’re older), then why shouldn’t they watch it? Also not sure what you mean by attitudes of porn viewers when at least 90% of adult males probably watch it. It’s too big of a sample to categorise their behaviour, presumably you are generalising for your personal experience.
It would be a small amount of effort that shouldn’t be required. It’s about taking the responsibility away from the parents and onto other people, if you don’t want to be responsible for your own kids then don’t have them. Just don’t bitch when someone else won’t do their share to look after them for you. TBH if they starting asking people on sign up “do you want your internet filtered to prevent any of your kids if you have any from harmful sites such as porn”, then I think that’s fair enough depending on how they word it (which is how the article mostly sounded like). What I don’t agree with is with parents wanting others to do their job for them which doesn’t extend to only this article. The ISP’s are a service to provide internet access to your house and aren’t required to do anything else. If you wan’t to reduce the amount of content that your kids can view then do it yourself, which I recommend. I’m all for extra ways to look out for kids that isn’t overdoing it (not meaning to be related to this article) and not if you compromise others even just a little bit. I’m sure if they did an auto-opt in service then a lot of people wouldn’t know why they couldn’t access certain sites (which presumably wouldn’t be limited to porn) which is why it would be less difficult to have an opt in service rather than opt out. I expect the full experience by default.
“Generalising from my own personal experience” Im not sure what you are trying to imply but if your trying to cast me as the one with derogatory attitudes towards women then its clear you haven’t been reading my posts or are incapable of processing information and coming to logical conclusions. as its pretty clear I have a problem with such attitudes.
Well anyway you’ve made it pretty clear that whats left at the bottom of the pan once all the if and’s and but’s are boiled off is you don’t give a shit about kids or I dare say anyone else for that matter, to the point that you can’t even be bothered to spare 5 minutes to contact your isp and lift the proposed filter.
You as my original post suggested think All the onus should be placed on the parents and if some of those kids don’t have parents to look out for them or their parents are unaware of the filter, too busy to watch their kids 24/7, lazy or just plain shit and those kids slip through the gap and inevitably a percentage of them become victims or perpetrators in an increasingly selfish uncaring society tuff shit ! you don’t care because you think its not your responsibility.
Well theres a very fundamental contradiction in your argument, if you don’t give a shit about something as fundamental as child welfare then why is it you think people who care about those children should give a shit about something as trivial as your opinion.
From the generalising from your experience, I meant that people in your life who watch porn may have negative behaviours that you’ve noticed or that porn has negatively affected you in some way, such as someone close being an addict whilst showing some form of abuse and therefore you are generalising the majority of porn viewers in the same light. Your experiences might not be that strong or may even be stronger, I’m just saying you can’t paint all porn viewers in the same light (I know you said not everyone, but I mean that I wouldn’t class it as a big trait that porn gives).
I also never said that child welfare isn’t important. It’s just not up to me to make sure someone else kids grow up fine. What’s wrong with thinking that parent that want features from a product removed from them to sort it out themselves. I don’t have a child, why should childless people put up with stuff that parents want restricted. I’ve already said options are fine to help with child welfare. But if I want to change a service to suit my needs, I expect to do it myself and not inconvenience others and I expect others to live up to the same standards.
As for the too lazy part, I could turn that back at you, are you too lazy to care about your childs welfare that you can’t be bothered to opt in or sort a filter out yourself that you need it sorted for you. I’d like to think that my opinions are based on what’s fair overall rather than something to convenience me. If parents don’t know full how to protect their children then they need to educate themselves. We are responsible for ourselves and ourselves only. If people want to look out for others then great, but maybe they have more important things to care about that the welfare of others which should be looked after by people close to them instead. I don’t see what’s wrong with thinking opting in is a better solution than opting out. Plus I put value on other peoples lives over my own. Also one of the reasons that I don’t vote is because I don’t want my opinion to count, that and it won’t change anything. So if someone doesn’t care about my opinion, good as long as it’s not disrespectful. I’ll still voice it coz it doesn’t change anything and I think it’s right.
a man allowed to take up 3/4 of the bed? You can tell that image is staged! and hes a homosexual, cause shes fine.
He’s obviously blogging his Movember growth while she’s thinking she’ll be glad when the month is over. Also 100% agree on the bed hogging being a female thing.
Its hard out here for a pimp
My anti-porn filter for kids?
Me.
Cost nothing in my household.
internet should not be censored
parents should censor their children’s access
fuck you cameron the economy is collapsing people are suffering and you are worrying about controlling the net.
You just know that this all kicked off because his wife found some less than savoury links in his history.
“It certainly wasn’t me, it must have been… the… er, children! Yes, the children must have stumbled across it whilst trying to surf the internet.
No no darling, it’s probably better not to ask them about it, it was most likely a harrowing experience. I blame the internet service provider, I really do… In fact it’s a bloody disgrace! You know what I’m going to do? I’m going to push for some legislation! First thing Monday, I’m going to show them what for! No, thank you darling, for bringing this to my attention! Ghastly business…”
hahaha i can picture that at too well lol
This is terrible news – if I can’t blame my children for all that dodgy browser history I don’t know what I’ll do…