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Whoops, looks like the English Defence League should think about some slightly better security. The far-right political action group was hacked (again) this weekend, losing control of their entire website for a good 24 hours, and still haven’t got control of their domain back.
The defacement (which can be viewed at defacement mirror zone-h.org here, quite NSFW) isn’t particularly imaginative, to tell the truth, but I think it’s safe to say that they made their point. More scarily for those closet EDL members out there, the hacktivist group behind it, ZHC, are also saying that they managed to get copies of the membership lists and are going to publish them in due course.
I’ll defer comment on whether or not I think this is a good thing; what’s for sure, though, is that the EDL should maybe spend a little more time and money securing their site against those who don’t agree with some of their more…..contentious views. [The Register]
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While the EDL are bigoted dickheads the ZHC website contains the line “Fuck Zionist Jews!” so it’s not exactly a paragon of tolerance itself.
Agreed. Should have read ‘Fuck Zionists’. But then how many websites out there freely and openly say ‘Fuck Extremist Muslims’? Lots. And nobody bats an eyelid at the ‘Muslims’ bit.
Wahabists/Taliban/Extremists and Zionists are all part of the same cesspit of shite.
Depends how you define Zionists. If you define Zionists as those people who believe in the right of the state of Israel to exist peacefully within agreed borders then I am one, if you define Zionists as those who believe they have the right to the whole biblical kingdom of Israel then yes these people are just as bad as those Muslims who seek the extermination of Israel and the undemocratic imposition of Sharia law.
If there are two versions of Zionism, there are an infinite number of versions of what you would call Sharia law.
Anyway, this debate could run and run. Zion by the way, includes Syria, Lebanon etc. That entire area is the ultimate goal according to the relatively modern doctrine of Zionism.
Sorry No, Zion is an alternate name for Jerusalem. Certainly, the more extreme versions of what is known as “Eretz Israel” Include all land that have ever been under Israel’s control or dominance, but the general “Land of Israel” looks more like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Map_Land_of_Israel.jpg
But do you not agree that this notion of assigning land based on some oldy worldy religion is ridiculous?
And by extension, religious is ridiculous?
Religion is ridiculous, following it’s tenants because someone said god said so is ridiculous. They do often have some good ideas (do unto others etc) but good ideas shouldn’t need a big beard in the sky or promises of rewards to get people to follow them.
It just takes greed to a new level. If you’re pious, humble and good in this life…when you to heaven you can have anything you want. Doesn’t matter what, it’s all yours. Gold, cars, women…whatever, live it up my friend.
So you get a bunch of greedy bastards who think hmmm…I’ll wait it out now and cash my chips in when I get to the pearly gates, whippey!
Ah yes, as you mentioned – biblical kingdom.
Anyway, enough about fairy tales, I’ve got Homeland to watch!
Agree, Treat others with respect, the way one would like others to treat thee..
That’s right, they could have went about this in a far more effective manner. Sort of shot themselves in the foot, but it was interesting to see how corrupt the EDL are. Nothing surprising though.
It’s nice when we can find stuff to agree on
@Taf and Darell, Next Stop, World Peace!
This wasn’t a server hack, which is more worrying. Domain Monster, where the domain is registered is where the breach has been and where the nameservers for the domain were updated out to third-party nameservers… Domain Monster haven’t released anything saying what happened as yet!!!
Have to agree with Darrell.
It all look very interesting until the words “Fuck Zionist Jews!” showed up.
I like the idea that EDL members might be published in the same sort of elk as the BNP list a few years ago.
Either they are fighting intolerance with intolerance or again, like Darrell says, not exactly a paradigm of tolerance.
Got this from the Register too (nicked both, sorry) Appears the folks behind the secret WHOIS are below!
[DATE OF INFORMATION: 2009-08-01]
Registrant Name:Trevor Kelway
Registrant Street1:27 Shalnecote Grove
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Birmingham
Registrant State/Province:WMD
Registrant Postal Code:B14 6NH
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.1214445454
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:trevorkelway2009@live.co.uk
[DATE OF INFORMATION: 2010-12-20]
Registrant Name:paul harris
Registrant Organization:paul harris
Registrant Street1:48 Layham Drive
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:LUTON
Registrant State/Province:BEDFORDSHIRE
Registrant Postal Code:LU2 9SY
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.7590223960
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:edldomains@gmail.com
that Birmingham address is 2 miles away from my house
and why would you post this here?
Surely people are entitled to their political views and should be entitled to the same privacy others are until / unless they break laws.
As the EDL movement opposes what it considers to be a spread of Islamism, Sharia law and Islamic extremism in the United Kingdom I don’t see anything to disagree with. Their methods aren’t great as they seem to generally attract the BNP type.
Sadly this means that ordinary people like me who feel disgust that Islamic extremists are free to protest at soldiers parades, burn our flag and poppies don’t have the ability to speak up against it without being tarred with the same brush.
well put.
There’s so much nonsense in your post. They operate under the guise of being against Extremism, a worthy cause, but in reality they’re prime function is to spread lies and propaganda against all muslims. The poppy/flag burning is a prime example of a tiny incident being used to subjugate an entire section of the British population, as to is the whole ‘Christmas being banned’ nonsense you read about.
If you’ve seen the EDL operate, you’ll understand what they’re about. The whole anti-sharia stance is utter tosh.
I suggest you read my post again.
Is it nonsense that all people should be entitled to their political view and privacy until laws are broken?
Your interpretation of their prime function is your opinion whilst I wrote their stated prime function which isn’t nonsense although it may be ‘spin’.
Do you think it is nonsense that I think their methods aren’t great or that many of their members look like BNP supporters?
The poppy/flag incidents are infrequent incidents carried out by a few extremists but they do happen and it does sadden me that if I speak out about such activities that it is assumed that I am trying to subjugate a section of society. If you think that is nonsense then you don’t understand the basis of democracy.
There are many problems with British society and I know that the Islamic extremists responsible for 9/11 and 7/7 and other terrorist atrocities make up a tiny fraction of Muslims worldwide and here but these extremists that are tolerated (or shielded) by their communities do not help understanding between people.
I agree, but the only way this is going to be solved in Britain is to break up the ghetto’s and stop referring to them as communities. It’s ridiculous really, the entire way British society is structured needs to change. It won’t though.
The ‘ghetto’s’ you refer to exist largely because of a reluctance to integrate that is prevalent within certain immigrant communities.
Bullshit. Your ‘reluctance’ to integrate is also prevalent in white only areas of British society, British expats living in France, Spain, South Africa and many, many other parts of the world. I think you’re attempting to dehumanize certain sections of the population so you can prove your point. The reality is if you group anyone together, through subjugation and prejudice, they’ll look to one another for support. It happens everywhere, and has done so for many years. It’s human behavior 101.
I’m guessing, deep down you regard these people, this immigrant stock as it were, as being sub human. Dare I say, if we passed one another in the street you’d think the same of me. Why would you not? If you’re a man of conviction and enjoys courting stereotypes, you’d see me as socially handicapped primate. A problem for you and your ideal societal panacea.
What areas of British society are white only?
Every profession has integrated, and when you consider that ethnic minorities make up less than 10% of the UK population some professions like journalism, dentistry, medicine and accountancy to name a few seem to be much more than 10%
People who emigrate here aren’t grouped together through subjugation and prejudice, they, just as the British overseas tend to do, gravitate towards each other for a sense of familiarity and help in navigating a foreign land.
If you’d read an earlier post from me you’d have seen my wife is an immigrant of 11 years who has integrated. In fact, when I originally found a couple of clubs/societies from her country of origin and suggested she attend her attitude was “Why would I want to sit around talking about the old country, I’m here, I want to succeed and be part of Britain, I don’t want to segregate myself”.
If I passed you in the street I’d judge you by your actions and the chip you appear to have on your shoulder. You seem to want to categorise me so easily as a racist (the sub human comment) when in reality your words indicate your racism towards me.
I have a problem with peoples actions (or lack of action) and that goes across any colour, racial, social, religious divide that may exist. I know and despair of the scum that Jeremy Kyle interviews (and they’re 99% white), the work shy families populating our old council estates (think Shannon Matthews family & the recent child murder in New Addington near Croydon) who are almost exclusively white, but I also worry about young boys (of all colours) growing up listening to Gangster-style music who think criminality or music is the only way to get ahead and anybody that emigrates here and lives here without integrating because without that they don’t understand society here and can fear it.
There are many things wrong with society but one of the biggest seems to be the dream-myth of multiculturalism, a noble idea but no country has really made it work and Britain has probably tried hardest. Wherever you look around the world you’ll see a small minority that have integrated to a degree but there’s comfort in familiarity (it’s human behaviour 101) and that doesn’t indicate subjugation and prejudice on the host countrys part at all.
So you’re firmly sticking with the premise that certain types of Asians in the UK haven’t integrated at all? So the people I sometimes work alongside and their families….haven’t integrated? And what’s your solution? Remove generations of people from our, or your population?
Your last post for some reason wasn’t showing me a reply button so here goes:
You said, “So you’re firmly sticking with the premise that certain types of Asians in the UK haven’t integrated at all?”
No, I didn’t say certain types of Asians (or anyone else), what I said was that I judge people by their actions, not their colour, race or religion.
If I move to India (or anywhere) and insist on acting as though I’m still in the UK, insist on eating British food, fail to even attempt to learn the language, work and associate socially with other expats then it is I that is failing to integrate and it is my fault, not the country or the people I live amongst.
I suspect that you’re a social worker or employed in some capacity where you deal regularly with this section of society, am I correct?
Not at all, I’m far too sinister to be involved in that sort of thing.
Worth noting those addresses may have nothing to do with the EDL. I can register a domain now with your address on it if I felt like it.
@Julian: Listen, ‘this country’ was once an empire, going around stamping on others beliefs in her way. I’d have thought since those times that we grew to be a tolerant nation whereby you see each other as members of the same specie over who they call God. I’m firmly one who sees us all as humans and I’m sorry to say that spreading hatred is no way any civilized country can move on in this world and only pulls us backwards. Don’t forget that if it’s Islamic extremism you’re annoyed with, it was NATO that created what we now call ‘terrorists’ & ‘extremists’. They were good enough to fight our secret war against the Russians but now they’re scum? Hypocrisy is clearly rife in the EDL and BNP. Hate foreigners but wear clothes that were made in China, can’t stand ‘people stealing their jobs’ but use mobiles made in China; if we’re SO great at all these things, why don’t they set their own companies up and prove themselves. The EDL has a belief structure based on a closed country when The British raped and pillaged every country we’ve ever occupied… Maybe you should read a book my friend and stop buying the Western’s view on the world. I’m a proud Brit but everything the EDL and BNP are for is not my generations issues and should be eradicated.
@01101001: You can go ahead and register a domain with my address, I’m not sure you have it but given the rules in place via ICANN and the representing registries, it wouldn’t be live for long. Those addresses were taken from the domain prior to it being put behind privacy services which I copied from another post from a third-party site. I’ve asked for them to be removed to prevent you feeling as if I’m breaking anyone’s rights so hopefully Giz can do that for me.
I’ve read many books and am well aware of our history and interaction with other countries both in the past and currently. I don’t condone the BNP or EDL but neither do I seek excuses or apologise for terrorists that kill civilians or extremists that want to overthrow this country or our current way of life.
Tolerance is a 2 way street and if you go into most Muslim communities you will see a failure to even to attempt to integrate with British mainstream society.
Our country is vastly more tolerant of Muslims here than most Muslim countries are of Christians and yet most Muslim immigrants that arrive here remain within their own communities making a mockery of the so-called desire for multicultural integration. Instead we have a community of less than 5% of our population often trying to wag the dog.
(And just for the sake of clarity I married a foreign citizen 11 years ago who has integrated completely and is more dismissive than I of other immigrants who fail to try to join British society).
Okay, well you’re missing something here then as my eyes are constantly seeing reports of NATO attacks killing the ‘wrong people’ including ‘children’ & ‘women’ (e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19616356). If Russia or the USA decided to invade the UK for their own reasons and to spread ‘their way of life’ we’d be screwed and like many of these so called ‘terrorists’ we’d be forced to use the same tactics at fighting back. Don’t forget, as above. It was NATO & the CIA who gave the world Bin Laden and the mujahedeen, who were good enough to get Russia out but not good enough to run the land they freed.
Britain has always been a nation of foreigners, the Scottish being the oldest ‘race’. England was invaded many times in the past and there is no such thing as a true Englishman. So maybe think of that next time you go on a Saxon rant about true British.
Where did you read me say anything about true British?
Yes, as per the NATO airstrike and other incidents in war zones there are unfortuantly civilian casualties but if you think NATO forces do this on purpose then you’re nuts.
Somebody flying a plane into a building or detonating a suicide vest in a crowd deliberately targets civilians, normally in a non-war zone environment.
I’m well aware one mans freedom fighter is another’s terrorist but fighting against soldiers in my country to defend it is one thing, leaving my country to harm innocent civilians in a non-war environment is completely different.
You are an apologist for terrorism.
Planes, buildings… Now you’re joking right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI3JdbMEbgg
Not apologising for anything, I’m not a NATO leader, I didn’t send a drone in to kill innocent people in a country we’re not at war with (e.g. Pakistan); the facts are out there and we’re the evil of the two.
Ah right, now I understand where you’re coming from.
You believe 9/11 conspiracy theories, enough said.
Tell me, were the 7/7 bombers undercover policemen?
People like you disgust me but I respect your right to life, your opinion and your way of life, unlike those you seek to defend who would happily kill you and your family for no reason other than your nationality and lack of Islamic faith.
Again, would you have had the same reaction if it had said ‘Fuck Extremist Muslims’?
No.
The phrases ‘Fuck Extremist Muslims’ and ‘Fuck Zionists Jews’ are both intended to dilute the racism as they aren’t saying ‘Fuck Jews’ or ‘Fuck Muslins’ which is distinctly racist. While ‘Fuck Extremists’ and ‘Fuck Zionists’ isn’t racist but a reasoned political call. But then the Jewish faith, and it is a faith and only a faith, purposely mix up the notions of race, religion and creed so you can’t make an anti-zionist shout without being labelled racist, even then the bearing is political or religious – a trick our Muslim friends should learn.
I think we don’t need to be fucking any of these zionists or extremists. Pity them, like we would pity any person wasting a life on religious fantasy – or take the more open view of fucking everyone, that is surprisingly tolerated even if it is against every human no matter who they are, where they come from and how they behave – as fucking everyone has no bigotry.
The zionist notion is as silly as moving all celts back to Cornwall, that fucking stupid. But maybe not as silly as killing people over a cartoon of a deeply flawed historic character. And the issues of both has nothing to do with religion, religion is purely a means to galvanise and control. Tell people to fight for a patch of land and most will say, ‘no, I’ll find another piece of land over there’. But tell them it is holy land and watch the shit storm, as a bunch of religious idiots indulge in a blood bath in the name of God.
I agree.
Hmm…must buy more land.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI
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