The mobile phone industry in the UK is massive — a couple of percentage points of GDP last year. Most people’s interaction with this massive sector is through a high-street phone shop. There’s just one problem — they totally, absolutely suck.
I don’t know if any of you have been into a high-street phone shop lately, but across the board, they’re terrible. The customer ‘service’ is nothing short of dire, in pretty much every single outlet. The physical shops themselves aren’t great; tacky posters advertising rip-off “deals”, combined with outdated displays, and wall-fulls of dummy phones. (Why, oh why, can’t they just make all the dummy phones real phones? Most people are well past the age when they played make-believe with toys.)
The customer service is the by far and away the greatest problem, however. Whilst it would be unreasonable to expect every shop assistant to know the absolute ins and outs of each phone — though it’d be pretty nice if they did — you do expect sound advice. Most of the time, though, sales assistants don’t offer anything close to advice. They generally try and ram certain products down your throat, constantly trying to up-sell, and when they get out of their depth, bullshit for all they’re worth.
Example: last year, I tried to go into my carrier’s own phone shop to upgrade to a HTC One S. Despite the fact that I walked in certain which phone was right for me, the woman behind the till wasted a good few minutes trying me to change my mind. Reasons that I might want to upgrade included the “better internetting” (I kid you not) on the One X, the “waaaay better email” on a Blackberry Bold, or the apparently superior Facebook integration of some crappy no-brand phone with a Facebook key gaffer-taped onto it.
Aside from the terrible advice, there’s also a lot of outright lying that goes on. In one Carphone Warehouse store, I was told, in no uncertain terms, that Three didn’t have a proper infrastructure, and that it just leased spectrum from O2, and therefore would have crap service. (Three have a fully-functioning 3G and HSPA network, running off its own cell network.)
I also got told by a friendly O2 rep that I should go with O2 over GiffGaff because “GiffGaff’s network has got terrible service. You get what you pay for, mate.” All well and good, but GiffGaff runs on O2′s network, and has exactly the same coverage. Awkward.
But, even if the advice is crap, you might still think that it’s worth going to the phone shops because there are real people there. Real, touchable people, not on the end of a phone, who can talk to you in an intelligible accent about your contract. Shame, then, that the networks have taken all their power. Across the board, customer services reps in call centres are more flexible about what they can offer you than the in-the-flesh sales assistants are. Every time I’ve been into a phone store, renewing a contract or trying to switch contracts mid-term, it’s been the same line: “Sorry mate, can’t help you, but try ringing customer services, they’re more flexible”.
Depressingly, it’s true; I’ve extracted better deals and more flexible contracts out of some dude on the end of a phone line, than I ever have from the assistants in phone shops, who are capable of nothing more than reading contract prices off the network’s website.
This is insane. One of the few edges the networks have over operators like GiffGaff is their physical presence. A high-street shop should make everything easier for the customer — rather than ringing up to talk to someone in a call centre, you can deal with a physical person. Only in the case of these shops, you often end up doing both.
Sometimes, things just get farcical. Even our Kat, recently tried to get a new SIM from Three; her experience sums up everything that’s wrong with phone shops.
“I try and avoid entering high-street phone shops as much as possible, but recently I’d misplaced the SIM for my 3G dongle and was forced to enter a Three store to pick up a new one. After being advised over the phone that all branches stock blank SIMs, it took me traipsing between three Three stores (oh, the irony) in central London to find one that actually had them in stock. Not a single store (and don’t get me wrong — I’m sure most networks have the same problem, along with assistants in all manner of stores) gave me what I felt to be even adequate customer service, with one store keeping me waiting a good few minutes while the lone “available” assistant gossiped with one of their friends about pretty unprofessional going-ons of the previous weekend. Is there no greater feeling of idiocy than shuffling from foot to foot, waiting for them to finish their conversation, before tentatively asking “excuse me… could I please have some help?”
My message, then, is this: physical phone shops are expensive. They need staff and premises, not to mention all manner of tacky posters and a huge amount of expensive smartphones (and BlackBerrys to push on the unwary). At the moment, they serve no real purpose apart from to annoy people foolish enough to cross the threshold. Networks should either ditch a physical presence altogether, and cut our bills (oh, if only); or, improve the shops massively.
It doesn’t have to be this way though — anyone who’s ever visited an Apple retail store probably knows that you can get sound advice without being belittled and patronised, and you get a real service at the end of it, rather than being fobbed off to some distant rep at the end of a phone line. At the moment, though, that’s all the physical phone shops are good for, jack shit. The networks need to watch their backs, or soon they’re gonna see a mass exodus to the likes of GiffGaff, Tesco Mobile and even Virgin. Vive la revolution!
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You Can Now Buy the Raspberry Pi on the UK High Street too
Vive la revolution!
Unless you know someone who works there and is willing to work the system, £210 cashback and phone that is meant to be only available on £45/month contract for less than 20 a month ^^.
Sounds canny
It was, till the entire shop (including the manager who taught them how to do it) got fired for doing it but keeping the money for themselves!
LOL! Now that was the best part perhaps, happy ending.
An excellent opinion piece – and an opinion I entirely share.
Agreed! I find it hard to believe anyone buys from them! They must only be able to convince the really technophobed people to make a purchase! Its a shame really, on the few occasions Ive had the misfortune of going in a high street phone shop I’ve heard nothing but utter BS pour out of the reps mouths!
I hate having to have to go in them! I tried popping in carphone warehouse in Norwich a couple of years ago for a iphone screen protector to be told they dont stock them!
Vodafone a year ago, took my daughters blackberry in for a warranty repair, they gave me someone else’s broken phone back by mistake, instead of the repaired phone!
Shocking!
I’m of an age where the kids in the phone shops assume I know nothing about smart phones. I’m slightly ashamed to say I sometimes play up to this when faced with a particularly patronising sales assistant. It’s quite rewarding to insist on callng their wares ‘field telephones’ before blowing them away by comparing chipsets and speeds in various models.
Can’t agree more. Went to an O2 shop to get a Nexus 4 on launch day. They had no idea if they had any in stock and no idea what contracts were available. This is a phone O2 had an exclusive on
They generally exist for the ‘plebs’ though….the uninformed who go in wanting a phone with little clue as to anything else.
When people who read (and write) for this type of website go in to such shops we probably know far more than the sales assistant and they’re not used to dealing with the likes of us.
Try talking to some older relatives for 10 minutes about your latest mobile or tablet and they won’t have a clue generally after the first couple of sentences but the sales assistant will speak at their (low) level of understanding and whilst they shouldn’t be misinformed maybe it’s ignorance/poor training rather than intentional deceit.
Wow, get over yourself.
True, though. A lot of people don’t have the knowledge we do, and just want a phone. We’re a lot more selective than the average customer.
In all fairness, it’s pretty hard to frame this opinion without sounding like a stuck-up prick. However, that doesn’t make it any less true.
I once watched a CPW staff member send a customer to another store because his store only stocked a ‘data’ USB cable and the customer wanted a ‘charging’ USB cable. Neither the customer nor the rep spotted the flaw in this argument.
glad you knew what I meant
am officially over myself now
just read in later post you are a phone shop worker…..explains your response
Heh, It crossed my mind
To me, I always thought these high street stores were more about brand awareness, rather than actually buying stuff from them (god forbid!), but that’s just me – and us techies know better. They’re good for checking out say the Nexus 4, politely declining the “help” then walking out and buying it off Google.
They’re all about sales sales sales! Nothing to do with customer service – there’s a dedicated 0845 number for that. Not included in your minutes, naturally.
How do they make money? By fleecing technophobes that wonder in during a weekday. My pensioner neighbour walked into a CPW so he could get a new phone “that just makes phone calls”. The sold him the kitchen sink including a smartphone on some absurd data plan “because you need data to make calls and use Apps ‘n’ stuff”. He didn’t know what an App was!
And don’t even get me started on O2 “gurus”…
/rant
I must be one of the exception cases then. I always by my stuff online but actually went into a carphone warehouse in Brum last year to look at the htc one x and was blown away. The service was great and staff friendly enough, although the 45 minute wait to get paperwork done, and then have them just call O2 to set the contract up anyway was a bit of a ball ache. But all in all they seemed really knowledgable at the store was great with ACTUAL phones to play with.
Maybe I was just lucky and wanted to buy a phone they make more personal bonuses on though
At the end of the day the staff in all these stores get a bonus for selling certain devices, so will obviously try to flog you sh*t you don’t want (like a 20 a month insurance policy? I’ll stick with my £3 a month home insurance thanks
Sounds like shop in London suck though!!
I work in a high street phone shop and find your comments particularly unhelpful when you paint everyone with the same brush. We are trained to know our products and not to mislead people. True, you can get better deals over the phone and thats something we end up losing out on.
What people don’t seem to understand when they come in store is that there are certain things that can and can’t be done, its not like we’re there to be annoying or make everyones life hell but we can only work within defined parameters. Frankly I think the public have by and large a major attitude problem when it comes to retail, we come across many people who storm in demanding the earth and speaking to us like we’re dirt, and your article leads me to believe that you fall in that category.
I think one should remove ones head from ones own arse!
The article is simply relaying the writers experiences and probably the writers friends/associates experiences too, and the perceived image most of the nation have about the high street shops!
And for you to decide that the writer has a major attitude problem certainly through your own admission puts you firmly in the same class of individual who is described in the article!
Of coarse phones shops are not there to serve their customers or even attempt to cater for their needs no, they exist so dis-functional media studies students can pretend to be adults.
The shops are an extension of mobile phones business practices in general, we get ripped off year in year out, the service they all provide is of an extremely low standard. Not too mention many of these multi million (billion in some cases) companies also believe they don’t have to pay tax on what they have conned from us.
As far as mobile phone shops are concerned “You cant polish a turd”
“Despite the fact that I walked in certain which phone was right for me, the woman behind the till wasted a good few minutes trying me to change my mind.”
It’s a two way street, next time try a simple STFU.
Good article. But the line about 3 having their own fully functioning infrastructure is a false statement. In my town they did share the masts with Orange. But just before Orange got into bed with T-mobile the transmitters went dead in one end of town. My old dear couldn’t get a signal at home. The 3 operator told her, laughably, to go up the road to use it. Never right. She left 3 the following day.
They used to use it for 2G signal but as you said I think it’s been turned off now. That’s the annoying thing about Three. But at the same time I moved to O2 (well giffgaff) and now occasionally have the dreaded “E” (or even worse the “o” – iPhone for GPRS) appear and I kinda wish I just didn’t have any reception at all…
Years ago I went in an O2 shop to get an upgrade. I told the guy which phone I wanted and he said I’d have to pay £200 to upgrade to that. I walked out and went straight to another O2 shop 2 minutes walk away where I walked out having upgraded to the same phone for the princely sum of nothing.
When I bought my HTC Hero SIM-free a few years ago I went in Phones4U first. Told the sales guy that I wanted to buy it SIM-free and unlocked so I could use my SIM-only contract. He proceeded to tell me that my current contract couldn’t possibly be what I said it was, said I’d be better off signing a 24 month contract there and then etc. I then told him I wasn’t interested and just wanted the phone. He then finally confessed that they couldn’t sell me an unlocked version of the Hero and any they did sell would be locked to Orange. I walked out.
To be fair though, I went into Carphone Warehouse and bought one with no problems. The guy did look at me slightly strangely though when I chose not to buy the cheap memory card he wanted me to buy and opted to buy a slightly more expensive, but faster, card.
I like how some phone shops have the dummy phones hooked up to the security system.
However, I went to the Three store to get a pocket wifi and actually found the service to be good. He didn’t try to pressure me into anything (I was only getting a 30 day sim plan, he didn’t try to force me into a 12 or 18 month contract) and gave me advice about the devices. Very happy!
Having worked in high street phone shops in London years ago, and falling victim to it – one of the reasons that dummy phones are secured is because they are targeted by thieves, who then use them in distraction thefts at another store – bit of slight of hand on a busy weekend and they would put back a dummy phone on the counter in place of the real one they were looking at and disappear into the crowd.
Yeh I thought that was the obvious reason they have dummy phones on display.
The biggest problem with phone shops in my opinion? “Locked to network”. It’s a ludicrous idea that annoys me everytime someone I know wants to change networks, because they’ve been sold a phone you’ve either got to pay someone on the market to unlock, or look at a new phone.
God knows who allowed it to happen, but they should have their delicate bits cut off.
The reason for this is that we share stock for prepay and contract sales. Prepay handset prices in the UK are below market price so handsets are often purchased in bulk and then exported. The network locks and compulsory topups (especially for cash purchases) are there to supress this. Most networks will unlock contract handsets free of charge and prepaid ones for a fee.
And yes, it is a pain
disclosure: I work for a mobile retailer
live demos in store – having worked in stores with all live handsets, partial live handsets and no live handsets no-one is ever happy with the amount of demo handsets or how they are displayed. Live handsets you can pick up and handle are extremely easy to steal which encourages theft, live handsets in clamps are more secure but you can’t handle them – customers complain. They both lead to violent thefts, steaming being the most common. Having 5-15 people run into your place of work screaming abuse at you and tearing £500 items that you are responsible for off of a display is not a nice experience.
Poorly trained store staff giving terrible advice is something that always has and probably always will happen for a number of reasons and really isn’t just mobile shops. Poor management, huge range of handsets, personal bias, limited time at work (a part timer working 8 hours a week isn’t going to be hugely knowledgeable) can all contribute
With regards to “phone customer services” there are a few points here. Where I work currently we have the same prices across retail, online and over the phone, discounts come from the “I’m going to EE/o2/three/vodafone” conversations and even then they’re not huge. Additionally, mobile phone stores have a terrible reputation with the general public, a lot of this comes from deals perceive as dodgy; having fixed prices gets away from this and takes a lot of pressure off of consumers, haggling is not enjoyable for a lot of people. Contract buyouts are something that were trialed but were removed, a decision I personally disagreed with.
Thank you for bringing some measured insider experience to the discussion. Always a pleasure to read.
You’d think someone “tech savvy” as you claim to be, would be more aware of why the guys on the phone are more flexible. I dont work for a phone company, but its the same rules for most retail chains. Telephony is a lower cost channel to a store, and likewise the internet is cheaper again (as there is not even a person involved) So of course when they save money dealing with you on the phone, they can be more flexible with deals, Where as a branch would have much higher costs! Gettin’ pretty sick of Gizmodo lately tbh, all it seems to be is poorly informed opinionated people haveing a b1tch (if that gets cut a “moan”) about whatever has annoyed them today! GET OVER IT
Fair point. Let’s have a look at your own techy website then?
A moan… About a moan…
Inceptiomoan!
Metamoan!
Gizmoano!
It’s a game that just keeps on giving! Fun for all the family!
Its also human psychology.
Here here
Couldn’t agree less.. My local Three shop is amazing. They couldn’t be more helpful if they tried, they all seem to know a fair bit about the phones and don’t try and push anything on you that you haven’t requested or shown an interest in. Almost all the phones in the shop are live phones to play with and they seem to get in stock as soon as released. And previous to that I had an O2 shop which was similar, the staff knew a lot about phones and helped me out when I was having massive problems with customer service on the phone.
Sorry you’ve had such bad experiences but not ALL phone shops SUCK !
Totally agree, when i went into 3 in manchester i was dreadin the “sales” hit but they were awesome, only mentioned products i asked about and the service was fantastic
I have to agree Three stores are ok normally, talking to them on the phone is very nice as well even thought they are not English (guess they have to do “shock” Learn what they are talking about to become an support tech)
just they norm do not have the network to back them up (90-98% coverage out doors, 50% indoors and there coverage map is an Lie as well)
as this is why i never use them where i am in Warrington as you need to be in green belt land or not close to dense housing area for the phone to work correctly
I live in dense Salford and its full bar all the time! No issues when i drive past warrington either! (tho id never venture in
)
Maybe u broke ur fone :p
depends what you call full bars most Android phones show full signal with less then 20-30% signal left (only iphone shows correct signal bars or some older nokia phones)
out side its norm ok but there are to many spots where it just does not work mosty indoors as they run on the 2100 band so walls are really walls for Three network
the Phantom network issue is the bigger problem i have with three due to mast placement on top of poor indoor coverage
phone says you got signal but no voice text or data works for about 1-3 mins untill the radio on the phone forces an reset it (does it on my BB 9780 phone when on 3g as well but that’s on Orange/EE but not as much but enough for it to Divert the call to my backup phone so i leave it on 2g on me BB phone)
if your on main roads or motorway or green belt land, i find it always works, indoors its 50/50 depending where you are
as to why i use giffgaff £12(o2) as i hardly have issues with them + they have an 2g network that covers spots where 3g does not (i have not yet found an spot where i never get an 2g signal),
if it was not for spotty coverage i would of been using three now (my bother had Three for 2 years and he was not impressed at all with them, he got o2 now and he is very happy)
i have had 3-4 dif phones on three all of them have behaved the same, where as EE and O2 have been fine (i guess vodafone would of been fine as well but they cost to much unless you use ovivomobile)
note i cant fault three customer support thought as they know there stuff (unless you want to leave then that’s an task in its self trying to get your PAC code of them is like trying to prise an bone from an dog)
Great piece. Personal story – went into a phone store to try and get a replacement charger for my (old) Samsung Tab 10.1. They guy was determined to sell me a micro-usb charger to the point that I walked him over to the Samsung Tab in store and pointed to the charging port so indicated that a micro-usb would not work. Useless.
Too true.
Not to mention they rip you off on accessories, my fiancée went into get her new Samsung Galaxy S3 from Three and bought a screen protector…. for a wopping £9.99 for 1!!!! I got her 10 for £1.99 off ebay, same stuff.
So what’s left for the stores to do?
I upgraded to my Samsung Galaxy S3 at Phones 4U and I thought the service was very good.
It was a Sunday about 5 mins to their closing time (4:55pm) and they were happy to help and ended up staying in the store until about 5:30pm.
Even got some free accessories that they offered without me even asking.
Personally speaking, the phone shop just up the road (carphone warehouse), is actually very good. They do take a while to serve you, but once you reach the counter, you see why, as they take their time with you, and make sure you’ve got the best deal. Its a small shop, and very busy. My experience is though, that this is an anomaly.
I must be the only person in the UK who had a good experience in an o2 shop. A month before my upgrade I went in and asked if they had any stock of the phone I wanted. They quickly checked the stock room, got one out for me to play with then booked an appointment for me to come in on my upgrade date. 3 days before my upgrade they called me to remind me of my appointment. On upgrade day I was offered tea, coffee and biscuits while they went through my previous bills to see if they could offer me a better tariff. They reduced my monthly bill by £20 and didn’t argue when I asked for extra data. They offered insurance which I declined and it was never mentioned again. Overall I was quite happy with the service I received, as were the couple who were being dealt with on the next desk. They also had coffee and their little son was playing with an o2 balloon while being covered in o2 stickers (free advertising, hehe). 1 month later I received another phone call from o2 to ask what I thought of my new phone and to see if I was happy with it.
Overall I’ve never had any complaints with the level of service I get from o2. Maybe I’ve just been lucky with my dealings with them?
Maybe you just live near a really nice store…
That sounds like the kind of sales experience you get at an expensive car showroom.
It is a really nice store, full of nice people. Probably helps it’s not in a city but a small town with 3 other phone shops on the same tiny high street. The customer service they provide helps keep customers coming back to them rather than venture to 3, carphone warehouse or phones4u. My experience in the 3 shop was scary, bordering on terrifying, which is why I stayed with o2.
I thought this may have been some dream sequence that you had that ended with you waking up in a cold sweat.
When I signed up with 4GEE I went into the three stores in town, and rung another two nearby, but not a single one had the handset I wanted in stock. Only one of them offered to order one in for me, and they wanted money up front.
I then went to the Apple store and, after fighting my way past 1001 kids playing with shiny stuff they can’t afford, found an assistant who told me “Sorry, you have to reserve one online the night before to buy in store”. “Ah that’s a shame, I was just in the EE store looking to sign a 4G contract and they didn’t have any iPhones to sell me either” I replied on my way out. Suddenly the story changed to “Oh you want contract? [Rather than paying £700 SIM Free] In that case we do have stock, come with me sir”.
TLDR; It’s not all that much better in Apple.
Well one would assume that Apple keep the contract handsets as separate stock because they are network locked?
They’re all the same handsets, but then lock depending on how they’re activated.
I’m on o2 and have pretty much exclusively used 2 stores in London and both have been excellent. The staff have been really knowledgeable, and I even went to a phones4u to ask about galaxy s3 support for open accessory dev kit support and got the answers I needed. However, orange and 3 stores have been a nightmare before I joined o2 so I think it’s a case of luck of the draw
Apple are often held up as paragons of service and yet… I’ve tried several techniques to actually get the attention of a ‘genius’ ranging from looking intently at expensive things I want to buy, to staring intently at ‘geniuses’ until they notice me. I invariably have to wait before anyone deigns to speak to me.
When I bought my Macbook, I actually stood by Macbooks with my wife, discussing loudly which model I wanted to part with the best part of a grand for. Nothing. I went elsewhere.
Worst of all, I was in there once whilst a ‘genius’ explained to a middle-aged lady that there was NO WAY to type a letter on a Mac without paying for Pages. She said she didn’t need word processing, he said that for those odd occasions when she needed to send a letter, this was the only way to do it. REAL service would have pointed her to LibreOffice and she’d have bought the computer and gone away extremely happy. Instead despite having walked in to buy a machine, she walked out because she was unsure about the whole thing.
I never had a straight forward service there either. It wasn’t bad, but by no means excellent.
Admittedly, my poor service was in Brighton. People who work in Brighton shops, bars and restaurants are BETTER than the rest of us. And only doing it until their music industry/director/theatre/nu-media job comes through so don’t care anyway.
When I worked in retail, I loved it and always tried to give excellent service.
I have the same rant written about high street electronics shops. I’ve even offered it to you a few months back – no answer
They can be as bad for sure!
Poor bloke at work, in his late 60′s, bit of a phobe, but had an idea of what he wanted, he got a fairly good deal from Bennetts last summer on a Plasma telly and a sound system, but they had him on two hdmi cables for £120!
Oh dont get me started on the HDMI con. I overheard a sales rep explaining to a customer that the £50 HDMI cable was the dogs cojones. Usually I would have kept quiet but I decided to butt in and explain that he was talking crap and explained to said customer that a £10 HDMI cable would work just fine, which it will, as we know.
Its disgraceful! Good on you!
I told the bloke at work to call trading standards but Bennett’s then went bust so that was a good cup full of Karma!
Sorry; we get inundated with so many emails and pitches, so sometimes it’s not possible to read them all
If I send it now, will you read it?
Re-send, but given we’ve just published this rant recently…
You’ve not been in my shop then
Try Currys. Real conversation I heard at one in London:
customer: what’s the difference between these two hard drives?
Salesperson: They’re different products.
What about Comet? Oh hang on….
Last time I went into PCW they weree using the built in speaker on a projector as it’s merits against another projector which had a worse built in speaker…
I remember walking into a CFW last year to check out the Galaxy Nexus that just launched…. spent a few good minutes trying to find one on display to no avail. Then one of the chaps who work there asked if I needed any help, I said yes, do you have a Galaxy Nexus on display? he went over and pointed at the year before’s Nexus S…. I stare at it for a good few seconds, making sure that I’m absolutely sure that this is definitely not a Galaxy Nexus. So I turn back to him, no this is a Nexus S, I’m talking about the one that’s just launched…. He stares at me for a while, no, Sir, this is the newest phone we have, exclusive to Carphone Warehouse. Errrmm, I’m pretty sure this isn’t [so I describe the phone to him], at that point a senior member of staff comes around, much to that guys relief and tells me they don’t have it in store.
Honestly if you work in a Phone shop, would it really hurt to actually do some homework before you come in to work. I tried applying for work at a 3 store once, the application form on there makes you think they expect you to know everything about everything. A walking Google. Where the hell do they get these people then?
And don’t get me started on 3 customer service. I phoned up once to tell them I want to cancel my contract when it runs out because they didn’t have the phone I wanted (HTC Incredible S), so they tried selling me a Desire HD instead. I was telling him why I wasn’t interested and why I wanted the other phone…. and he said to me, get this…. “Sir, how much do you think you know about phones?”
CPW*
If you are with them you can get silly deals with them and True unlimited data if you wish to stay with them or say your going to leave you can get some super deals
But if your trying to leave three is an task in it self
(twice it has taken me 1 hour to get to the leaving team)
I haven’t bought a phone from a phone shop in years, the last straw for me was when I attempted to get an upgrade from the big Vodafone shop in Bristol , as soon as I’d mentioned that I saw the phone I wanted cheaper on their own website they made no effort whatsoever to match it and sent me on my way. You’d think they didn’t want my business!
Plus I’m really put off by the used car salesman high pressure sales routine they all seem to employ in those stores. I think at one point Phones4U actually had salesmen stand outside the store ready to pounce on unsuspecting victims like the childcatcher beckoning people into his prison with sweets. You had walk to the other side of the street to avoid them!
I feel your pain. I walked into an EE store on the 28th October to order a new iPhone 5 and decided to tie in an iPad on a connected deal on a very competitive price scale. I was asked to pay a £45.00 deposit and wait up to 30 days for my products to arrive.
30 days in I’d heard nothing and was told that there’s an issue getting iPads from Apple and that the problem would be resolved in a week… 2 weeks later I went back to the store and was told that there’s nothing they can do (I asked for my deposit to be refunded, but for them to hold the product if it did come in as a good will gesture – they said no).
Another 2 weeks have passed and I have now been told I might have to wait till the new year. They assure me that the problem lies with Apple’s distribution, but I’ve not heard of anywhere else having issues. Maybe they should think about how much stock they can actually get their hands on before rolling out a deal to “over 700 stores”. Every time I’ve tried to deal with the people in my local outlet and they just shrug it off and tell me to keep waiting.
Basically, I’m £45.00 out of pocket and waiting 8 weeks for something I was told I’d have in 30 days.
it IS down to apple distribution. problems with the 4 and 4s as well. could rectify the issue ands get your self a proper phone!
They hire stupid arse kids and pay them peanuts so obviously, the customer service and knowledge base of their staff is non existent.
On Saturday I went into an EE store to try and get a 4G sim for an iPad. After waiting for about 20mins, I was told that the iPad was not 4G compatible and he then tried to sell me a EE dongle.
I told them that the new iPad 4 was 4G compatible. To my absolute shock he replied “when did that come out”.
The joke is that the EE store was literally seconds away from an Apple store but still, what a complete tool.
The iPad is not 4G compatible. There is no iPad model called the iPad 4. You should have said you wanted the sim for the iPad with Retina Display. The stupid arse kid was correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad_(4th_generation)
Ah good old wikipedia…which proves that there is no model called the iPad 4.
still it is the 4th version that does support it (why the shop did not just sell the sim any way at worst case it would of worked on 3g)
the Customer is always right if not you lose an sale
As an Ex-O2 Retail Employee myself I have to disagree with this article. The stores themselves are very rarely at fault, its usually the supply lines and promotional teams that make the mistakes and the stores have to take the flak for that. Most store workers are also paid very little or work on a part time basis so how they are expected to know every pricing plan and phone specification is ridiculous!
The majority of O2 stores as well as some of their rivals now have a full array of live phones which customers can come in for a play with, however this isn’t always possible due to attempts of theft etc.
Retail employees also have to put up with a lot of abuse for mistakes made by either customer services or simply technical errors, yet still manage to put on a happy and helpful attitude to every single person who walks through the doors making it an incredibly demanding environment!
Never in my life have I gone into a phone shop and received good service. I gave up quite a long time ago.
In general I would agree. The staff in the Virgin store in Brighton were very helpful but utterly useless with anything more than the mobile equivalent of “turn it on and off”. Overall though the staff are still more knowledgeable than the majority of staff in high-street electronics stores (with the exception of Richer Sounds where they actually what you are talking about when you discuss the merits of DTS over Dolby Digital for example). To be fair to Three, their store in Brighton (churchill square) actually employs people that are both helpful and know what on earth they are talking about, going so far as to help me out with my phone despite it having a custom rom on it. After having lost my phone they managed to set me up with a replacement SIM in less than 20mins of me entering the store.
Spot on. I’m in the business of designing wireless devices and spend a VAST amount of time in the phone shops (and recently, in the USA too), and here’s my take:
1. Your analysis of why is spot on, they need the money, so will sell you ANYTHING that improves their bottom line, IE, the phone that costs them the least and offers them the most profit on the airtime contract. (Although I’m not sure why they pushed the more expensive One X over the S?)
2. American phone stores are way better, all the phones work, you can even make calls! The actual air time contracts are way more expensive and you PAY for INCOMING calls! But the staff don’t BS, like they do here.
3. If anyone would like some tips on how to choose a phone and/or contract, please visit my since mothballed site at http://www.dovice.com/ where although the phone advice page (on the home page) is no longer updated, the other pages are relevant and may be helpful.
Either way, soon, a revolution in communications will render the whole concept of an airtime contract obsolete, and you’ll obtain your ‘phone’ like any other non connected gadget, so the process will be less painful.
#tuit
The dovice.com site is no longer being updated because it is a conflict of interests with my employer, but if any Giz readers would like to get involved, take control, submit the contact form using the link at the base of each page and get in touch.
i have fun with it, being that in 99% of cases i know a substantial amount more than the staff in most tech shops be it a phone shop or somewhere like pc world, so when they come over while im browsing to ask “is there anything i can help you with?” (which i hate) i make a point of asking a string of questions they probably wont know the answers to
what a moronic peice of writing. This guy obviously has no idea how things work in the industry. one would think that WRITERS SHOULD WRITE WHAT THEY KNOW!!!!!!
OF course ‘Numpty Warehouse’ had crapy service…they have a store target to meet and only get paid a bonus once they meet a percentage of the store target.
‘Numpys 4 u’ and there lack of customer service is legendary and needs little explination.
3 DONT HAVE A PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE!!! they only had a 3g signal. go anywhere without it and you dont have any 2g back up…so no phone calls when your stuck in the middle of nowhere
O2 have more and more franchised stores every day and they are a problem. a local one will offer staff discount to anyone who walks in and cares little about what they are selling and who they are selling to
I work in a mobile phone shop and have done for nearly 5 years. For the most part I enjoy it. I dont go out of my way to sell anything to anyone. I advise people the best they can. There will always be things the shop cannot do – that is the reason for customer services’ existance.
But all the problems you list – especially the ‘quote’ from you mate can be attributed to any sales enviroment such as PC WORLD/Currys
I work in a mobile phone shop and have done for nearly 5 years. For the most part I enjoy it. I dont go out of my way to sell anything to anyone. I advise people the best they can.
My shop is located in a yorkshire town and most of my customers are OAPs during the week and some of them are either using smart phones for the first time or want a simple basic phone with big buttons amd they walk out with what they want IF they wanted to buy it
I think that this arrogant ‘journalist’ needs to spend more time in phone shops MAYBE WORK IN ONE
I would love to be completely honest when it comes to the better phones for your needs, but if it turns out to be a representative of one of the manufacturers I am in deep trouble.
Where someone would be better off with a cheaper deal, stronger coverage,unlimited x / y / z I would happily say, but when I start missing targets the blame goes on me, not the propositions.
If I was given the tools to mirror the actions of the call centers then I would use them – I guess that goes down to cost / benefit.
I would love to slap anyone who utters complete crap with a wet salmon to a customer, so with you on this point.
Knowledge, with constantly changing offers, deals, devices it can be hard to keep track, if you were a 8 hour a week part timer just there to cover your drinking allowance for college would you be completely up to speed? However if you are speaking to a full time, completed probation, member of staff then yes, they should be quite up to speed, but sometimes we can be last to find out about new things. Blame the company not the individual in this instance.
Bottom line is a store on the high street is there to sell, a company wants to cover its brand in as many places as possible and there are still plenty of people wanting to buy their goods face to face.
apple stores….
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/12/exclusive-corrupt-apple-store-employees-come-forward-everywhere/
it’s a tough one to call with phone shops. i work in a phone retailer too and peoples idea of good customer service changes dramatically. some people want incredibly quick service and others wish to spend time understanding everything. the ‘quick’ customers will be more likely to become frustrated with the queues generated from selling a contract [which is a completely different transaction to a phone case], and in busy periods we are forced to cut the ‘lengthy’ service down as much as possible. Sometimes things are out of our control too – stock issues being one of the main ones. also being part time and a university student, i do find it frustrating i can’t find the time to know the release and stock quota for every upcoming handset, with issues in regards to getting stock in store boiling down to the manufacturer. prices change all the time and i’ve literally seen contract tariffs change in the space of two minutes. so i can see why there is frustration.
meh.
I used to work in a high street phoneshop, and while very biased considered myself both knowledgeable and customer focused. However despite being one of the top sales people in the region, and having one of the top customer satisfaction ratings in the region, when I asked for a full time job I was told the whole network wasn’t taking on full time staff.
Sufficed to say I’m now selling my wares elsewhere. The problem is the same as any sales role. Numbers are key, and in my experience the ever increasing and often unjustifiable targets make staff feel beaten up and demotivated, after all we were all in it to make money, but whats the point if the goal posts keep getting moved out of your reach.
Couple that with the fact that they let one of their top better staff (in my ever humble opinion) go with very little fight (I was offered a job in a full time job in a store that would be opening in 6 months, nearly 2 years down the line this store still doesn’t exist).
The retailer I worked for doesn’t know where it’s going and as a result, sends unclear messages to staff.
Shame really.
thank you for putting in words what i wanted to say
it’s far too easy to club together every phone sales person.
To be fair anyone is guilty of treating customers the same. I remember I was threatened because I wouldn’t upgrade some idiot girls contract because it was in her dads name. When she tried to convince me her boyfriend was her dad and I still refused they all kicked off in store. I’m sure the next customer I spoke to after that I wasn’t on top form. We’re all people and we all deal with shit, sales is hard, the general public are hard. It can be a nasty combination
It’s strange. I’ve always held to the same belief, but then I realised how to actually deal with the high street shops…do all of your research beforehand.
I had a hell of a time getting my T-Mobile account moved over to EE and getting a new Lumia 920 to go with it. EE screwed up the original transfer order by using ‘dummy objects’ for preorders, then they created an entirely new account, new number, etc, then stuffed up that delivery.
I cancelled everything with EE (who still tried to charge me a week later, and my bank refunded me), walked into Phones4U Sutton and told the chap there exactly what I wanted. He was friendly, polite, acted immediately, and didn’t try any bullsh*t whatsoever.
Within 10 minutes, I had a brand new, checked-for-quality, bagged, fully receipted, ready Lumia 920. My number had been ported across from T-Mobile on the spot, and an hour later I was sat at home at my desk charging my fully working Lumia 920 setting it all up as I wanted.
The only delay was that it took that hour for the system to transfer my number from T-Mobile to EE, nothing that Phones4U could have influenced whatosever.
So don’t always be immediately anti-store. Just vote with your feet. Go into the stores and buy from those who give good service, and if someone is sitting there nattering about their personal escapades rather than serving you, just leave. Nothing is ever so urgently important that you should accept being treated poorly when you are the one with the money.
Might as well take the opportunity to get this off my chest.
I was in the market for an HTC Sensation when they came out last year, which was a decent price online but, as I was heading to town, I thought i’d give it a bash. Went to o2, asked if they had one I could have a play with (which they did) and said I was going to go have a look elsewhere and check some prices but would come back and get it as it was nearly as cheap as online (and the chap was very helpful). Came back, they were adamant they had no phone trial phone and that I couldn’t use my sim in it because ‘o2 had their own type of sim cards’. This went on for some time (with more than one person), to the point I was basically asking them nicely to let me try one that I would then buy if it worked but they argued themselves out of £300 odd quid.
Agree with you for the most part on this. However, having worked in an O2 shop for several weeks, I can tell you that the strain and pressure they put on the employees is pretty unreasonable. The quotas heavily influence the bonus you receive and they just tell you informally to “have a look through the brochures and online in your own time” to learn about the phones. Surely if they want a professional service to be provided, they should offer a proper syllabus to their employees?
When I later moved to working in a garden centre (the company formerly known as Wyevale), they had a full e-learning system on everything, including plant care, plant recognition, growing media (compost, manure, etc), health and safety, till operation, customer service, heavy lifting, delivery check-offs, merchandising procedures, and a whole host of other things. That was just a garden centre. With a lot of pressure from middle-management to meet your quotas (if you don’t, you get disciplined and possibly sacked) and very little formal training, I do sympathise with the lack of competency and eagerness in many of the employees.
Having said that, there are a lot of phone salespeople who have been very knowledgeable and professional, so it’s not a hard and fast rule that high street retailers suck.
I’d like to put my thoughts into this. I work at CPW in a retail store (I’m a low level peon), and there are points I agree with, and points I disagree with. (Also, for those of you wondering, I wasn’t aware there was a difference between US giz accounts and UK once, hence the recent signup, I’m no PR drone! (As will be shown by my comments)
On the whole, customer service for Mobile retailers is awful. I won’t lie. The staff are lazy, just looking for commission or incentive bonuses, and don’t really care about you or your problems. In addition to this, a lot of the time, the sales assistants won’t know that much about the products either.
However, I would like to give you some idea of what my working experience is like, and what I do in my day to day career.
So, the first thing I should point out, is that in working for CPW, I get NO COMMISSION. There are no incentives to sell a particular phone model, or connections to a particular network. The only thing we get pushed on is selling insurance (Which I will come to later), and any bonus we do get is based on an overall target we have to achieve as a store, not on an individual level (Targets that you would receive in any retail environment, not just the mobile sector). Also, I’d like to point out in over a year and a half of working for the company, I have only received bonus for two months work. It’s not something that happens frequently.
What this means for me, Is that I (And I do speak only for myself here, though the other people in my particular store are similar, and are fairly good compared to some of the god awful practices I have seen in other stores, not just CPW) am totally impartial. I don’t really care what phone you buy, whether its a “pay as you go” or a contract, or what network it’s with. This suits me absolutely fine.
As a person, I don’t like to force things upon people. I like people to leave with a pleasant opinion of me, and I like them to be fully informed and know everything they need to know, in order to pick the right product for themselves.
Now, I don’t at all claim to be the most knowledgeable person when it comes to handset models (Hell, I don’t even know if iPads lock to the first simcard they receive, like iPhones do), but I do have a fairly solid opinion and knowledge of most of the products in our store. (Though they change at an incredibly rapid rate, so that knowledge has to get updated quickly). I also make a habit of finding out the details for someone, if they ask me a question I can’t answer straight away. Usually all it takes is a quick google search.
In addition to this, I will also never push someone to a product they don’t want. When it comes to phones and tablets, I’m an apple guy. (I’m also at uni studying Programming, so I have experience using lots of different systems. My reasons for preferring apple are not just because I’m part of the“sheep herd”) However, when someone comes in looking for a phone, I’ll ask them if they have any ideas already, compare some different options for them, and only every show them or tell them my own preference for phones if they explicitly ask for it. (Though I should say that I never recommend blackberrys, as they are the single most unreliable brand of phone I have ever seen. Sorry RIM).
I’m also honest with people. I’ll tell them if a particular phone comes back for repair a lot, or if the reason one is so cheap is because it’s about to be discontinued, or why I personally need an unlimited data allowance, but they won’t need it for their emails and facebook. On top of this, I’ll also let them know the proper “Best deal”. Key example of this is iPhone 5’s. Free at about £40ish per month, depending on the network. In the case of O2 however, if you take out the £32/month deal and pay £100 upfront, you’ll save yourself about £150 over the two years of the contract. The allowance (mins, texts, data) are all exactly the same. How can anyone call that bad advice? (People are just adverse to paying an upfront fee for some reason).
One thing that I picked up from the article, was that there was irritation with the lack of technical knowledge about certain devices. Now, whilst I understand the actual difference between a single or dual core processor, and why megapixels is not the defining statistic in the quality of a camera, I will tend to generalize. Why? Because the average Gizmodo reader is not our average customer. The average Giz reader would generally buy the phone online, or just ask for it straight up, they don’t need my help choosing a device, they’ve already made their mind up. Every day I have to deal with people who ask what the difference is between 1GB internet allowance, and 8GB internal storage. We (I) do it for their sake, rather than the more learned minority.
Another little side note I would like to make on this point is that whilst you have phone handsets, connections are an entirely different ball game. A horrible one I might add. There are literally thousands of tariffs and variations between all the phones we sell (And our particular computer system does NOT make it easy to find them). We can not customize a tariff, we can only sell what we are told to. (Hence why in some cases, if we do not provide what the customer is looking for, I would too recommend calling their customer services and threatening to leave. That’s the best way to get a better deal)
Now, the last thing I’ll mention, as this comment is getting very long indeed, is the horrible issue of insurance. I want to get this clear, right now. I HATE insurance. I loathe it. I hate buying it, I hate selling it, as it’s a product I would never need, and therefore I assume it’s a product that nobody else would need. And I am so very wrong with this assumption.
The insurance package we sell at CPW is expensive (One of the main turn-offs for me), but it is very inclusive. In the event something does happen to your phone, its very easy to get a replacement, and it’s fast (Just don’t expect a brand new one, You’ll be getting a refurb. Also refurb is not the same as second hand, it just means for whatever reason It could not be sold as new. For example, if someone returned an online order without opening it). The other thing we provide is tech support, again, which I would never need. The thing is, some people do. You get a lot of people that barely know how their phones work at all, despite having them for over a year, and this can be a package that is helpful for them. However, I never hard sell. Ever. If someone says they don’t want it, I drop it. I’ll make sure that the customer knows everything about the package that they need to, so that they can make an informed decision about whether they want it or not, but I won’t press hard. Because of this its actually the case that my attachment rates are so low I’m being threatened with termination…. That’s the price I pay for being what I consider a “decent” person in a harsh retail environment.
I’ve probably rambled on quite a bit here, so I apologise (Im writing this at 5am). I’m just trying to get across that whilst I agree with a lot of what the article says, as I see it happening in other stores, we’re not all bad. I have to take it personally, as it’s my job, and I really don’t want to be lumped in with the (unfortunately) majority of retail assistants that do a bad job.
That said, if anyone wants to ask me a question or two, I’d be happy to answer them! (Can’t give any specifics as to my name or branch location though, as posting this could get me fired!)
Any takers?
I find comments on Giz are like sex. Yes by all means give me a nice long lasting experience that will bring tear to my eye, nut go on to long and I’m losing interest, oh wait I’m fast asleep.
Phoning customer service to get a better deal isn’t always that straightforward. Many times I need to escalate my request several times after being told that it absolutely cannot be done and they can only offer set deals and there are no loyalty discounts anymore. Pisses me off I’ve been with three for 6-7 years I think and any old random who walks in off the street can get the same deal I’m being offered.
Last upgrade I was told I could reduce the price of my plan after 12 months. After about 5 phone calls and several callsfrom managers, after being told it’s impossible to do as they no longer offer this, even though it was one of the reasons I agreed to the contract, I finally got £3 off my £30/m contract. All phonecompany employees are useless
Last time I visited a phone shop was actually to buy a PS Vita, as I’d decided to buy one moments before the launch day and Vodafone were offering a memory card with it. Since I was asking for something out of the ordinary I wasn’t expecting them to be entirely up to speed with it, but it quickly became apparent that they hadn’t been told anything about it at all.
They gave me a SIM card for a tablet with it as there wasn’t one in the box, but it turned out this wasn’t the right one when I tried to redeem their offer for a free game. The correct ones turned up at the store the next day, and after a little persuading they switched it for the right one. But after that there was some larger problem supplying the download codes for the free game, so it took a few more visits to get that sorted out.
I wasn’t angry with them about it, and spend a little time filling them in the details as I understood them and even showing them around the relevant menus on the device. I think I even persuaded one of the staff to buy one himself. At the end of it they were probably the best informed store on the subject of PS Vitas. I was still a little concerned that it had taken a week or so for the information they needed to circulate round their inside channels, but I did have to credit the staff for trying though.
Totally agree. The only thing physical stores are good for are checking phones and in person before placing an order for it online.
Such Irony… phone Network Providers have the worst customer Service.
My experience with Three (NOV – DEC 2012) has been absolutely shocking… Tried to renew my contract with them and despite them charging me for the delivery of the phone it took me endless weeks of calls to them to plan the logistics correct..( Such Frustration).
Then after receiving my phone 2 weeks later they blacklisted my number by mistake and again it took me hours of calls and verifications to try correct their mistake. Even had to visit a Three Store for an assistant to verify i’m the person they sold the phone to….(such a Palaver). Took me 3 days without phone connection for them to get things sorted.
This kind of article pains me, I agree that some of high street phone stores don’t offer the greatest service possible. The issue I find is this isn’t down to the networks or stores as a whole, it’s more the individual sales person. I work in a network store and pride myself on my customer service, every phone store in the uk is assessed using service based on customer feedback they leave via text after leaving a store, I have proudly scored 100% every month for the three years I have worked there. It can be argued yes, service is patchy/non existent in certain areas, however you will find that every sales advisor (in most stores) is targeted on their level of service under management.
With regards to dummy phones, near enough every store displays these because they’re considerably more cost efficient. Additionally with the rate of mobile phone theft so high, doesn’t it occur to most people that live handsets are often stolen from phone stores? As an example, in my store whenever we put a live iPhone out on display, it’s guaranteed to be stolen within a week. I’m sure as far as customer service and experience goes, hiring security doesn’t create the calmest of atmosphere.
I am far from an advocate of conglomerate phone companies and by no means am I sticking up for them. I’m simply irritated by the largely innacurate phone shop stigma. In every of the multiple stores I have worked in, I have always been surrounded by extremely kind and passionate people with every intention of doing the best for their customers. Retail stores across the board are limited to the deals they can offer customers, simply because of networks lack of trust using them not to abuse the systems to acoomodate for pushy and aggressive customers (which often occurs).
All I ask of the general public is to yes, complain if you recieving poor service as these staff members are in the wrong job. However please be considerate of limitations set on retail workers by not only the networks, but human capacity of information with the ever changing world of technology and mobile phones.
Rant over.
EE stores that used to be T-mobile stores suck the most, the other day I went into one to replace a faulty handset and I got bombarded with questions on what I’ve done with the device, if I’ve rooted it, jailbroken it (it was a windows phone) and why I didn’t get an iPhone. I walked a few stores down to an EE store that used to be an orange store and my device was replaced, no questions asked.