Six days, 22 hours and 9 minutes later, I’ve finally managed to install Windows 8. I don’t know what I did to upset the god of Windows Vista. Maybe he’d thrown a tantrum at getting fired on his birthday. Maybe somehow he knew I was going to write this column. Maybe there just Is No God of Windows Vista (that kinda figures actually.) All I can tell you is that it took me a week to get from Vista to 8.
I nearly couldn’t buy it in the first place — I’m in Colombia, South America at the moment, and it wouldn’t let me pay with VISA, or AMEX, or Paypal — it turns out Microsoft South America will only accept payment in the heads of rival operating system bosses. Or possibly dollars. Because it’s impossible to change money into another currency, right?
I eventually got my Dad (bless him) to download it in the UK and send me the link. It came, in a blaze of purple and white glory, and I set it running. Then it crashed. So I set it running again. And it crashed again. No error code, no report, no information why, apart from a giant unhappy emoticon which appeared on the blue screen of death and made me feel a lot better, definitely.
(Actually, there was some text which appeared on the blue screen of death, but I will remain forever in the dark as to what it said, as it appeared for about a gazillionth of a second, and unlike the average Microsoft user, I don’t possess the ability to freeze time. I even went through the whole installation process again, just to try and read the text, and say hello to the unhappy emoticon again of course, who was still really helping.)
With no options left, I was forced to turn to Microsoft Live Help. Enter Sheryl G; her winning smile, and her dubious command of English. She took control of my machine, and four hours later, she signed off, having achieved nothing. Yes, four hours. Four. Enough time to watch two films. Or listen to four albums. Or two and a half tracks, if you’re a Pink Floyd fan.
During our time together, she tried updating Windows, and when that didn’t work, started looking through the online help pages to see what might be wrong (reassuring, I know). She tried uninstalling all my anti-virus software, while I cringed as she saw Peggle Deluxe under my installed programs. She installed a Fixit utility, while (I hope) cringing as much as I had. She disappeared for a fag break for over an hour, while I discussed with a friend whether she was just hanging around forever to try and seduce me. We slowly invented an elaborate story of how she was desperately in love with me, and had just disappeared for an hour to pluck up the courage to ask me out. We discussed where she sat on the hotness scale, and what she was into in the bedroom. We quietly hoped she hadn’t turned the webcam on.
She eventually came back; fiddled with my registry, then left, but not without this touching email:
You can smell the sexual tension.
So I tried again the following day, with Vanryn, who burst into my life with a name like an extra from Game of Thrones and a profile picture like Oddjob. Just like Oddjob, in fact, he was a man of few words. He demanded control. He took control. He took one look around. Decided that I should install Windows from an external flash drive. I did. It didn’t work.
I was getting annoyed, so I wrote to Microsoft in my politest, Britishest tone, and copied it to Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, just because.
Three days later, I got this (this time from Cheryl with a C): 
Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
And then, a day later, this:
DAMN! You got me, Microsoft. Beaten. Out-thought. Snookered. I actually sent you the angry email because the problem was FIXED! I thought it would be fun. A valuable use of my time. I just wanted to try and hook up with one of your operatives again. Of course Vanryn was right. The installation HAD worked. It was just Windows 8 looked exactly the same as Vista and was just as shit. (I’m only two days in, reserving actual judgement on this for now.) Wait.
In fairness to MSFT, the guy who eventually fixed it was a bit of a boss. He took one look at a long text file with lots of numbers in it that detailed about everything my computer had ever done (you can tell my technical knowledge has run out here, right?) He changed the DNS server and I was away; it worked fine. The fact that I was on the phone to him the whole time he was looking was the only awkwardness. I thought of asking him whether he knew Sheryl to break the ice, but decided against.
I don’t really know what to think of the service in general. On the one hand, they did spend seven hours of their time trying to fix the thing, which is very committed (by the last operative, if we assume the US minimum wage per hour, they were actually losing money on the sale.) Then again, it did take me a week to upgrade to Windows 8. I’ll give them a very hesitant thumbs up. Windows 8 doesn’t look too bad either. Though Peggle Deluxe better still work.
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Lovely article, great stuff Jack!
I think it just adds more weight to the argument that for new OSes, you really ought to wait for six months for all the bugs to get ironed out and if you do want to upgrade that you do a reformat and reinstall (just to be sure).
the one thing i noticed on my upgrade was that windows would just seem to doing nothing
i actually re booted the computer once, and tried the install again, but it did the same thing, so i left it for a while (i cant remember how long but at least 20mins and at most an hour)
and it eventually installed ok
but there doesn’t seem to be a screen say what it is doing, it just sits there as if it is frozen
so in future i will just leave it to do its thing
ps this also happens if you screw the os up and have to refresh it
From the sounds of it, your issue was probably down to installing a UK bought license outside of the UK – and likely on a guest internet connection that you had no control over.
Not so much the OS being a problem and more you being unfortunate to fall into an edge use case that’s slipped through the cracks in testing.
Still, going from a Vista install to Windows 8, you might as well have just nuked the thing from orbit, set fire to the ashes and reconstructed the hardware yourself with very fine super glue just to make sure you were completely clean of Vista first.
I’d honestly have just wiped the drive and started fresh by the third blue screen.
Exactly….questions like….where did you purchase your copy of windows 8? and where are you trying to install from now? would have flagged the dns issue. Even wiping for clean install from a flash drive would have failed without forcing use of a UK DNS server. Where it gives you the option to set your locale, it should also offer the option of setting the installation locale if different from purchase/permanent location. Fwiw I would have wiped also, but a few years ago and been happily working on windows 7
The only thing that kept me from wiping it and starting fresh was the worry that I wouldn’t be able to install either OS from fresh (which would it seems have been the case.) Leaving me with no computer, which would have been a right pain for work. I told them in every conversation that it was a UK computer, UK upgrade, but I was in Colombia! I even totally freaked out the last guy by answering the phone in Spanish…
I was sleepy/dozy/dipsy enough to miss all of the cheap Windows 7 offers, divine retribution I know.
An enjoyable read.
My favourite line, which made me laugh in a quiet office and was followed by “your blatantly not working” glares:
“I thought of asking him whether he knew Sheryl to break the ice, but decided against.”
At least it all got sorted in the end!
Windows 8 has a problem with partitions that don’t have drive letters (such as recovery partitions) and will pretend to install all the way to the last screen and then blue screen and then recover your previous OS. The easiest solution is to delete all the partitions and clean install the OS. Make sure that you create and activate the live account before you start or you’ll have to fill out the wireless details several times because it doesn’t remember them either. Perhaps these problems will be resolved by Windows 9 but I doubt it.
So an incorrect DNS server caused this?
How funny for an offline installation.
Clean install EVERY time – upgrades never work as they should. image the HDD (plenty of free progams that do this) formta and reinstall. Why do peoploe who work for tech blogs not know this most basic of advice ?
As much as I’d love to work for Gizmodo, I’m just a humble reader (and more often than not) blundering tech idiot doing a guest column. Amongst all this computing expertise I feel like I’ve gone through the wrong door of the convention centre and ended up at a Victoria’s Secret afterparty dressed as Chewbacca.
You’d be the most popular attendee of that party, I’m sure. Thanks for such an entertaining read, Jack!
Thank you for having me Kat!
That was entertaining and informative as I didn’t know anybody had still been using Vista
I’d like to hear if *anyone* *ever* managed to upgrade a copy of Windows ME? Would anyone keep it installed long enough for a new version to be released I wonder?
I had a similar experience . I was tying to upgrade my twin disk, Win7 system to Win8.
I spent over 8 hours on the end of their support line. In the end they told me my machine was incompatible with Win8, despite being less than 6 months old and passing their compatibility test. I had done every single check and upgrade advised prior to upgrading.
In th e end I decided to give it one more go on disk 2. It went straight through in a few hours with no help from them what so ever! It is running perfectly but the way I hav eit set up and the way I use it, irony of ironies, you can barely tell the difference between Win8 and Win7!
They were ever so nice and absolutely no help at all
Vista to 8! Bad to worse IMO. Always clean install Windows it would be far quicker to do. All personal data is backed up as precaution anyway so its just the software to re install.
Gotta love my Ubuntu makes upgrades so much easier.
Hey Jack, do tell me how you got that star.
I’m expecting a reply from this regular commenter
Well busted sir. Absolutely no idea
It landed in my inbox a couple of hours after the article went live. Can only presume it’s to do with hits on the article or something…
Either, you got 20 likes, or some kind kind starred commenter did it for you
My laptop is about 7 years old…ish
It came with Windows Vista – and I had a lot fewer problems with it than others did (did what I wanted, but then for internet and some games that’s hardly surprising).
Since then its had Windows 7 and 8 installed… the manufacturers provides no drivers for either OS, but I am happy to say they both worked. Settled on Win7 because I preffered it.
This week I decided to make the laptop a dual boot set up with Linux so I could learn to be a SysAdmin in the future (not expecting to master Linux this week, but having the OS to play with is a good start)…
It took a DAY to get the OS to finish unpacking all the files to install it. (Well, after spending a day trying to get the laptop to boot from a USB stick… but the USB bus isnt working properly USB2 system thinks it’s USB1 for a start).
After finally getting it to exist on the hard drive it was crashing less than a minute into getting running – all because the wireless driver was SO incompatable with the combination of OS and Hardware that it freaked out and died every time – even commands with root access couldn’t kill the package without completing the unpack, but unpacking it crashed it.
Two more clean installs later and with the advise from four seperate veterans from Askubuntu.com it’s now working exactly as required.
This involved gaining external repositories, purging old drivers from the system, rebuilding the kernel, installing drivers entirely by text when not fully understanding some command types… I remember MS-DOS being simpler…
Win8 installs are blissfully simples in comparrison…
And I still have the joy of re-learning absolutely everything about using an operating system.
Just saying, while Win8 might have a bug or two, try using some of the more obscure OSes before thinking this is heroic.